Gmail has a couple complicated settings on the gmail website in settings or preferences.
In addition to IMAP or POP (both can be set at the same time), there is a setting which is automatically checked. This setting is archive email even when deleted. Because I did not know about this setting, I did not change it and ended up with over 140,000 messages in my inbox when I switched to the mac. Apparently, Apple Mail (whether iOS or Mac) does not recognise this flag if it is the archive flag from messages which have been deleted on another computer. Before the messages can be permanently deleted, the permanently archive deleted messages box must be unchecked. After doing this, I have spent the past several months going through and deleting old messages. I read the subject lines to make sure messages were not misfiled before deleting them. I am now down to just over 20,000 messages. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 11 Feb 2014, at 8:46, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Tim. I did realize that. Still trying to figure out why there are so > many messages in there as there is no way I saved that many messages. I have > been using gmail since 2005, but still wouldn't have saved that many messages. >> On Feb 10, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> The problem with deleting items from the All Mail portion of Gmail is that >> when you delete a message from the All Mail, it deletes it from everywhere. >> So, for example, if you've kept specific messages and moved them to other >> folders, they stay in the All Mail area and Gmail labels them so that they >> are also available in the other location. Deleting them from All Mail >> consequently deletes them from the other location or locations as well. >> This could be extremely bad if those messages contain important information. >> >> Later... >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Bryan, you say you have a bout 1097 messages or whatever the number is that >>> sounds pretty high if it is indeed higher than the one I have given above. >>> How about deleting the mail you don't need in the all mail folder ¬of your >>> gmail account and then confirm that action again once they have been sent >>> to the trash which will in turn completely wipe them from the G mail >>> account. >>> >>> This is just a suggestion mind and you have may already tried it but if not >>> go ahead assuming you haven't already deleted the account and see if that >>> produces better performing results with Mail and G mail. >>> >>> Daniel >>>> On 10 Feb 2014, at 08:05, Chris H <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Should be in the purchased section of the Mac App Store. >>>> >>>> Regards Chris >>>> >>>>> On 09/02/2014 23:48, Jessica D wrote: >>>>> how would you get ountain lion back without paying? i had it before >>>>> mavericks? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Brian, >>>>>> >>>>>> How about you try disabling your Gmail account temporarily while doing >>>>>> your project. Go into Mail Prefs, select Accounts from the Toolbar, >>>>>> select your Gmail account from the Accounts Table then uncheck the >>>>>> "Enable this Account" checkbox. Now, with your Gmail account disabled, >>>>>> you should be able to do your work, receive Mail from other accounts, >>>>>> and you can re-enable it when you need it again and it doesn't affect >>>>>> your project. >>>>>> >>>>>> Later... >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey well I guess a clean install isn't going to happen today, as I am >>>>>>> not sure if I know how to boot from my external drive, might have to >>>>>>> have a buddy who knows more about computers help me with that. Plus I >>>>>>> have to back everything up. Just very frustrating to be dealing with >>>>>>> something new every day. Sorry for venting but hey you don't have to >>>>>>> read it if you don't like it. Thanks to those who have offered >>>>>>> solutions. Another funny note is the last few days since I have had >>>>>>> these severe issues with mail open and running my Logictech solar >>>>>>> keyboard doesn't work, but if I quit mail the Logictech keyboard works >>>>>>> fine, very bizarre, and frustrating. And nope changing mail to check >>>>>>> every 30 minutes unfortunately didn't help as in the middle of this I >>>>>>> got busy busy busy again. >>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google "clean install of Mvericks" to get the exact steps, but the >>>>>>>> basic idea is you download the installer from the App Store, run a >>>>>>>> terminal command once you plug in a properly formatted drive, and >>>>>>>> wait. Once that is done, boot to that drive instead of your regular >>>>>>>> one, open Disk Utility, completely wipe your Macintosh HD partition >>>>>>>> (not the entire hard drive) and then close Disk Utility and select >>>>>>>> "install Mac OS 10.9 Mvericks". Once that installs, you're done and >>>>>>>> can start restoring your data. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For today, have you considered closing Mail completely and operating >>>>>>>> off the Basic HTML version of Gmail's website instead? If you do >>>>>>>> decide to switch mail providers, you can always set up forwarding so >>>>>>>> you will keep getting your Gmail messages, as others have suggested. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Even more hilarious now I can't even get this gmail account removed >>>>>>>>> from my computer as it keeps saying this account is connected to >>>>>>>>> something. Not sure what the hell it is talking about as I have >>>>>>>>> removed it before, but now with the mail issues I am having and >>>>>>>>> trying to remove the account craps everything out. What do I need to >>>>>>>>> do a clean install? Do I just need to download Mavericks to my >>>>>>>>> external drive or do I need to create a bootable thing of some kind, >>>>>>>>> don't remember the steps and today things have gotten so bad and have >>>>>>>>> restarted the computer five times and it isn't fixing it, so >>>>>>>>> considering I am on deadline for an article to say I'm a little >>>>>>>>> pissed off since I need to use gmail for this article is an >>>>>>>>> understatement. Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:50 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, like Alex suggested, you can create a new gmail account and >>>>>>>>>> just set it up to forward your mail to it. This might be a little >>>>>>>>>> bit of a pain in the neck, but it is a temporary solution you can >>>>>>>>>> reverse when the problems are fixed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Or, again, install ML on an external disk and use that solely for >>>>>>>>>> mail until the next version of Mavericks, 10.9.2, is released. This >>>>>>>>>> is exactly why I always keep a functioning version of the previous >>>>>>>>>> OS available on external partitions. I have them going back to Snow >>>>>>>>>> Leopard, in fact. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey John, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions. It definitely is a gmail and Mavericks >>>>>>>>>>> issue as I have removed gmail and then reinstalled it in to the Mac >>>>>>>>>>> Mail. When gmail is removed mac mail works fine. My issue is I >>>>>>>>>>> can't switch from gmail to another mail provider as I have people >>>>>>>>>>> constantly contacting em through gmail. So not sure what to do as I >>>>>>>>>>> have heard from several people that doing a clean install did not >>>>>>>>>>> fix their gmail problem with mac mail. Considering this problem >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't happen every day tells me that it is a gmail and Apple >>>>>>>>>>> Mavericks compatability issue. What angers me to no end is I held >>>>>>>>>>> off upgrading to Mavericks until Apple claimed they fixed this >>>>>>>>>>> issue in December so that is why I am so angry as the days when Mac >>>>>>>>>>> Mail and gmail don't cooperate I can't get a thing done. I >>>>>>>>>>> apologize for any misspelled words as mail is pausing so much as I >>>>>>>>>>> type this with busy busy messages. And like I said everything >>>>>>>>>>> worked fine yesterday. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:43 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A few things here. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> firstly, I understand frustrations and annoyances that get to >>>>>>>>>>>> someone at times. However, remember to put things into >>>>>>>>>>>> perspective. I have had no issues like your experiencing on any >>>>>>>>>>>> of my three Macs and the only couple of people I know having mail >>>>>>>>>>>> issues have the common denominator as Gmail being part of the >>>>>>>>>>>> problem. So, to say that you can't recommend Macs because of >>>>>>>>>>>> inconsistencies is quite drastic. You are dealing with a >>>>>>>>>>>> situation that is either system specific or gmail specific. That >>>>>>>>>>>> has little to do with the overall experience of Mavericks most >>>>>>>>>>>> people are having. No, Mavericks isn't perfect, but it ain't >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Vista or Windows 8 either by any stretch. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now, with that said, I would do one of 3 things. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If you have an external drive to play with, install a >>>>>>>>>>>> completely clean version of Mavericks onto a blank partition. >>>>>>>>>>>> Then, set up your Gmail account first and see how it runs. If it >>>>>>>>>>>> is all right, then try adding things to that install and see what >>>>>>>>>>>> happens. If you find that that install runs in a stable >>>>>>>>>>>> environment, then you probably want to do a clean install on your >>>>>>>>>>>> regular system disk. If you still have problems, well guess what? >>>>>>>>>>>> It's not the Mac or Mavericks, but, instead, is gmail or some >>>>>>>>>>>> configuration of gmail you have set up. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If you don't have an external drive, you still might want to >>>>>>>>>>>> just do a clean install anyway. I'm a big believer in clean >>>>>>>>>>>> installs for any new operating system. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. If the Mail is your biggest problem and suggestion 1 is either >>>>>>>>>>>> not possible or just not practical with your schedule, as I know >>>>>>>>>>>> you are quite busy,, you could install Mountain Lion on an >>>>>>>>>>>> external drive to do mail and then use Mavericks to access Numbers >>>>>>>>>>>> and Pages. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The first alternative will give you the ability to mess with >>>>>>>>>>>> gmail, at least. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>>>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday everything worked fine, so today if I have mail open I >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't use any other programs on my computer or mail causes >>>>>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver to be so choppy you can't understand a thing. Switching >>>>>>>>>>>>> from gmail is not an option as I have years of mail messages >>>>>>>>>>>>> archived, and everything worked fine on Mountain Lion. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to go back to Mountain Lion as I need to use Numbers for >>>>>>>>>>>>> work and Numbers had gotten unusable under Mountain Lion. What >>>>>>>>>>>>> really pisses me off is some days the computer works fine, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the next without being shut off or put to sleep it is unusable. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Even a restart doesn't fix the problems. Since starting to write >>>>>>>>>>>>> this message, I have been interrupted five times with busy busy >>>>>>>>>>>>> errors. I have spoken to Apple Accessibility and they know >>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing. Not sure how in the world Apple could have released >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mavericks with these kinds of bugs and then claimed they fixed >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything. Just very frustrating. I have been a long time Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>> boy and suggesting them to everyone but will >>>> never again suggest a Mac to anyone, as they used to be consistent and now >>>> are as unreliable as a PC. Sorry just had to vent. And yes, I have run >>>> disk repairs and still no fix. 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