The hilarity of using gmail with mac mail has reached new levels. I have quit mail to get it to update and still after six hours of receiving gmail on my phone mac mail hasn't received it. Additionally almost every time I hit enter to open a message nothing happens and I have to use the window chooser menu to view the message. I'm hoping to be able to do a clean install next weekend, as this entire situation with mac mail is sad. On Feb 10, 2014, at 3:20 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gmail has a couple complicated settings on the gmail website in settings or > preferences. > > In addition to IMAP or POP (both can be set at the same time), there is a > setting which is automatically checked. This setting is archive email even > when deleted. Because I did not know about this setting, I did not change it > and ended up with over 140,000 messages in my inbox when I switched to the > mac. Apparently, Apple Mail (whether iOS or Mac) does not recognise this flag > if it is the archive flag from messages which have been deleted on another > computer. > > Before the messages can be permanently deleted, the permanently archive > deleted messages box must be unchecked. After doing this, I have spent the > past several months going through and deleting old messages. I read the > subject lines to make sure messages were not misfiled before deleting them. I > am now down to just over 20,000 messages. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 11 Feb 2014, at 8:46, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Tim. I did realize that. Still trying to figure out why there are so >> many messages in there as there is no way I saved that many messages. I have >> been using gmail since 2005, but still wouldn't have saved that many >> messages. >>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The problem with deleting items from the All Mail portion of Gmail is that >>> when you delete a message from the All Mail, it deletes it from everywhere. >>> So, for example, if you've kept specific messages and moved them to other >>> folders, they stay in the All Mail area and Gmail labels them so that they >>> are also available in the other location. Deleting them from All Mail >>> consequently deletes them from the other location or locations as well. >>> This could be extremely bad if those messages contain important information. >>> >>> Later... >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Bryan, you say you have a bout 1097 messages or whatever the number is >>>> that sounds pretty high if it is indeed higher than the one I have given >>>> above. >>>> How about deleting the mail you don't need in the all mail folder ¬of your >>>> gmail account and then confirm that action again once they have been sent >>>> to the trash which will in turn completely wipe them from the G mail >>>> account. >>>> >>>> This is just a suggestion mind and you have may already tried it but if >>>> not go ahead assuming you haven't already deleted the account and see if >>>> that produces better performing results with Mail and G mail. >>>> >>>> Daniel >>>>> On 10 Feb 2014, at 08:05, Chris H <christopher...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Should be in the purchased section of the Mac App Store. >>>>> >>>>> Regards Chris >>>>> >>>>>> On 09/02/2014 23:48, Jessica D wrote: >>>>>> how would you get ountain lion back without paying? i had it before >>>>>> mavericks? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbur...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about you try disabling your Gmail account temporarily while doing >>>>>>> your project. Go into Mail Prefs, select Accounts from the Toolbar, >>>>>>> select your Gmail account from the Accounts Table then uncheck the >>>>>>> "Enable this Account" checkbox. Now, with your Gmail account disabled, >>>>>>> you should be able to do your work, receive Mail from other accounts, >>>>>>> and you can re-enable it when you need it again and it doesn't affect >>>>>>> your project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:35 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey well I guess a clean install isn't going to happen today, as I am >>>>>>>> not sure if I know how to boot from my external drive, might have to >>>>>>>> have a buddy who knows more about computers help me with that. Plus I >>>>>>>> have to back everything up. Just very frustrating to be dealing with >>>>>>>> something new every day. Sorry for venting but hey you don't have to >>>>>>>> read it if you don't like it. Thanks to those who have offered >>>>>>>> solutions. Another funny note is the last few days since I have had >>>>>>>> these severe issues with mail open and running my Logictech solar >>>>>>>> keyboard doesn't work, but if I quit mail the Logictech keyboard works >>>>>>>> fine, very bizarre, and frustrating. And nope changing mail to check >>>>>>>> every 30 minutes unfortunately didn't help as in the middle of this I >>>>>>>> got busy busy busy again. >>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Google "clean install of Mvericks" to get the exact steps, but the >>>>>>>>> basic idea is you download the installer from the App Store, run a >>>>>>>>> terminal command once you plug in a properly formatted drive, and >>>>>>>>> wait. Once that is done, boot to that drive instead of your regular >>>>>>>>> one, open Disk Utility, completely wipe your Macintosh HD partition >>>>>>>>> (not the entire hard drive) and then close Disk Utility and select >>>>>>>>> "install Mac OS 10.9 Mvericks". Once that installs, you're done and >>>>>>>>> can start restoring your data. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For today, have you considered closing Mail completely and operating >>>>>>>>> off the Basic HTML version of Gmail's website instead? If you do >>>>>>>>> decide to switch mail providers, you can always set up forwarding so >>>>>>>>> you will keep getting your Gmail messages, as others have suggested. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even more hilarious now I can't even get this gmail account removed >>>>>>>>>> from my computer as it keeps saying this account is connected to >>>>>>>>>> something. Not sure what the hell it is talking about as I have >>>>>>>>>> removed it before, but now with the mail issues I am having and >>>>>>>>>> trying to remove the account craps everything out. What do I need to >>>>>>>>>> do a clean install? Do I just need to download Mavericks to my >>>>>>>>>> external drive or do I need to create a bootable thing of some kind, >>>>>>>>>> don't remember the steps and today things have gotten so bad and >>>>>>>>>> have restarted the computer five times and it isn't fixing it, so >>>>>>>>>> considering I am on deadline for an article to say I'm a little >>>>>>>>>> pissed off since I need to use gmail for this article is an >>>>>>>>>> understatement. Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:50 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, like Alex suggested, you can create a new gmail account and >>>>>>>>>>> just set it up to forward your mail to it. This might be a little >>>>>>>>>>> bit of a pain in the neck, but it is a temporary solution you can >>>>>>>>>>> reverse when the problems are fixed. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Or, again, install ML on an external disk and use that solely for >>>>>>>>>>> mail until the next version of Mavericks, 10.9.2, is released. >>>>>>>>>>> This is exactly why I always keep a functioning version of the >>>>>>>>>>> previous OS available on external partitions. I have them going >>>>>>>>>>> back to Snow Leopard, in fact. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hey John, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the suggestions. It definitely is a gmail and Mavericks >>>>>>>>>>>> issue as I have removed gmail and then reinstalled it in to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Mac Mail. When gmail is removed mac mail works fine. My issue is I >>>>>>>>>>>> can't switch from gmail to another mail provider as I have people >>>>>>>>>>>> constantly contacting em through gmail. So not sure what to do as >>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard from several people that doing a clean install did >>>>>>>>>>>> not fix their gmail problem with mac mail. Considering this >>>>>>>>>>>> problem doesn't happen every day tells me that it is a gmail and >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Mavericks compatability issue. What angers me to no end is I >>>>>>>>>>>> held off upgrading to Mavericks until Apple claimed they fixed >>>>>>>>>>>> this issue in December so that is why I am so angry as the days >>>>>>>>>>>> when Mac Mail and gmail don't cooperate I can't get a thing done. >>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize for any misspelled words as mail is pausing so much as >>>>>>>>>>>> I type this with busy busy messages. And like I said everything >>>>>>>>>>>> worked fine yesterday. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:43 PM, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Brian, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A few things here. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> firstly, I understand frustrations and annoyances that get to >>>>>>>>>>>>> someone at times. However, remember to put things into >>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective. I have had no issues like your experiencing on any >>>>>>>>>>>>> of my three Macs and the only couple of people I know having mail >>>>>>>>>>>>> issues have the common denominator as Gmail being part of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. So, to say that you can't recommend Macs because of >>>>>>>>>>>>> inconsistencies is quite drastic. You are dealing with a >>>>>>>>>>>>> situation that is either system specific or gmail specific. That >>>>>>>>>>>>> has little to do with the overall experience of Mavericks most >>>>>>>>>>>>> people are having. No, Mavericks isn't perfect, but it ain't >>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows Vista or Windows 8 either by any stretch. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, with that said, I would do one of 3 things. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. If you have an external drive to play with, install a >>>>>>>>>>>>> completely clean version of Mavericks onto a blank partition. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, set up your Gmail account first and see how it runs. If it >>>>>>>>>>>>> is all right, then try adding things to that install and see what >>>>>>>>>>>>> happens. If you find that that install runs in a stable >>>>>>>>>>>>> environment, then you probably want to do a clean install on your >>>>>>>>>>>>> regular system disk. If you still have problems, well guess >>>>>>>>>>>>> what? It's not the Mac or Mavericks, but, instead, is gmail or >>>>>>>>>>>>> some configuration of gmail you have set up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. If you don't have an external drive, you still might want to >>>>>>>>>>>>> just do a clean install anyway. I'm a big believer in clean >>>>>>>>>>>>> installs for any new operating system. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. If the Mail is your biggest problem and suggestion 1 is either >>>>>>>>>>>>> not possible or just not practical with your schedule, as I know >>>>>>>>>>>>> you are quite busy,, you could install Mountain Lion on an >>>>>>>>>>>>> external drive to do mail and then use Mavericks to access >>>>>>>>>>>>> Numbers and Pages. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The first alternative will give you the ability to mess with >>>>>>>>>>>>> gmail, at least. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take Care >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> John D. Panarese >>>>>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac for the Blind >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Brian Fischler >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday everything worked fine, so today if I have mail open I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't use any other programs on my computer or mail causes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VoiceOver to be so choppy you can't understand a thing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Switching from gmail is not an option as I have years of mail >>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages archived, and everything worked fine on Mountain Lion. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to go back to Mountain Lion as I need to use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Numbers for work and Numbers had gotten unusable under Mountain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lion. What really pisses me off is some days the computer works >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine, and the next without being shut off or put to sleep it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unusable. Even a restart doesn't fix the problems. Since >>>>>>>>>>>>>> starting to write this message, I have been interrupted five >>>>>>>>>>>>>> times with busy busy errors. I have spoken to Apple >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Accessibility and they know nothing. Not sure how in the world >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple could have released Mavericks with these kinds of bugs and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> then claimed they fixed everything. Just very frustrating. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have been a long time Apple boy and suggesting them to everyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but will >>>>> never again suggest a Mac to anyone, as they used to be consistent and >>>>> now are as unreliable as a PC. Sorry just had to vent. And yes, I have >>>>> run disk repairs and still no fix. 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