I have mixed feelings about the whole debate. I will miss the sonokids games and the Houghton-Mifflin geography game and the Curb game. I sort of liked it when Joost switched to flash, because their stand- alone app was even less accessible. However, it will be interesting to see what comes of HTML5.
Teresa On May 3, 7:50 am, "Carolyn" <ch...@q.com> wrote: > Nic: > bring on the coffee here please. There's eleven! > Carolyn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nicolai Svendsen > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:32 AM > Subject: Re: Flash removed from OS X? > > Hey, > > Certainly. I've never seen so many messages hit the list that quickly. I > was sitting here going "No one has responded yet." I go to brew a load of > coffee, and when I come back I've got ten messages. I was a bit surprised. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 3, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > > > Nic, > > > It is a good discussion for debate. What it does is give folks an > opportunity to consider the benefits or lack there of where flash is > concerned. It also is a chance to consider whether Adobe would seriously have > a legal case. because there had been if I recall some threat made over > preventing flash on the iPhone. I recall something about lost revenue or some > such thing, but don't quote me on that. The entire discussion is interesting > for sure. > > > On May 3, 2010, at 1:20 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> *grins* Darcy my secret is out! > > >> Yes, it's not true. Maybe. What is echoed in that "Fake Steve Jobs" post > might happen someday, but I don't think Apple can actually force Flash out of > Mac OS X. > > >> Well, it's not, since you can actually find this on Google quite easily. > Nonetheless, it was a very amusing read. It gave me the opportunity to bring > it up as a debate, actually, and it's very interesting to hear people's > thoughts, I'd say. > > >> Regards, > >> Nic > >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > >> Skype: Kvalme > >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > >> AIM: cincinster > >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 > >> Facebook Profile > >> My Twitter > > >> On May 3, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Darcy Burnard wrote: > > >>> Hi. Being annoyed by flash is definitely not exclusively a blind > thing. If it were, things like the click to flash plugin would not exist. > >>> Darcy > > >>> On 2010-05-02, at 8:01 PM, marie Howarth wrote: > > >>>> the truth of it only being the VI community is not exactly true. I > have friends who are in web design and they cannot stand flash. Several of > them are very happy with the now viable alternatives. flash makes it "easy" > for pretty much any one without much knowledge of writing code to create a > website, it also makes a lot of websites act eratically, and most web > designers, who do their jobs professionally will tell you the world would be > much better without flash clogging up websites. So sighted or not, it's not > just those of us who can't utilise the flash content, professionals who > design websites dislike it even more. > > >>>> On 3 May 2010, at 00:08, Pete Nalda wrote: > > >>>>> Haha! Yes, good debate for sure. I actually googled "Flash Being > removed from os X" and did come up with a "fake Steve Jobs Diary" tweet > report on techblips.com. But no reference as to whether this was really > true. I think it's a great debate, and something I think few people are > willing to debate, preferring to sweep it under the table. Flash makes > designing websites with lots of dazzle fairly easy, but I think the Visually > Impaired community are the only ones who hate flash the most because of its' > inaccessibility to screenreaders. > > >>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > >>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>> Hey, I guess that just answered my question. It might just be > replaced soon, though. Flash is getting old now, and we need a standard that > is just implemented, doesn't require any third-party plugins to work like > Flash essentially is, and doesn't crash your shit. That doesn't mean HTML5 > can't, but at least, we can see what is actually on HTML5 pages and for good > reason. > > >>>>>> I just love starting these debates. Oops? > > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> Nic > >>>>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > >>>>>> Skype: Kvalme > >>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > >>>>>> AIM: cincinster > >>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 > >>>>>> Facebook Profile > >>>>>> My Twitter > > >>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 11:24 PM, marie Howarth wrote: > > >>>>>>> how are you accessing them anyway sarah? Flash content is not > visible with VO > > >>>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 22:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > >>>>>>>> but how would twaudio work wiht out flash? you need to hit > recording buttons in order to use it if you wanted to record directly from > the website. > >>>>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> Hello, any platform could be argued to be better without flash, > it's a processor pig, is proprietary, and isn't keeping up according to the > wisdom of today. From a vo user's point of view, and even ask the linux-kids, > windows is the only platform where it is marginally accessible. Something > like html5 and h.264 streamed videos would work any and everywhere without a > proprietary plug in or so I've been lead to believe. > > >>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts. > >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-02, at 5:00 PM, Edward wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Hello > >>>>>>>>>> I am new to the list and wondering why no flash is good news? > Is vo better > >>>>>>>>>> with other formats of streaming video? > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>>>> Edward > > >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie > Howarth > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:55 PM > >>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Flash removed from OS X? > > >>>>>>>>>> really? Where did you hear such great news? ;) > > >>>>>>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 21:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>>>>> Whoa, that's like...allout. I'm not sure what to say. Did I > expect > >>>>>>>>>> this? No. > > >>>>>>>>>> Well, if no one figured this one out, Flash support is apparently > >>>>>>>>>> being removed from OS X. I thought I'd be the first to post > this. I don't > >>>>>>>>>> think anyone else has. Same reasons that were made public in > Steve's letter > >>>>>>>>>> on thoughts on Flash. > > >>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>> Nic > > >>>>>>>>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > >>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme > >>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > >>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster > >>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 > >>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile > >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicolai-Svendsen/509197277> > >>>>>>>>>> My Twitter <http://twitter.com/chojiro> > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>>>>>>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups > >>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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