Nic, It is a good discussion for debate. What it does is give folks an opportunity to consider the benefits or lack there of where flash is concerned. It also is a chance to consider whether Adobe would seriously have a legal case. because there had been if I recall some threat made over preventing flash on the iPhone. I recall something about lost revenue or some such thing, but don't quote me on that. The entire discussion is interesting for sure.
On May 3, 2010, at 1:20 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > *grins* Darcy my secret is out! > > Yes, it's not true. Maybe. What is echoed in that "Fake Steve Jobs" post > might happen someday, but I don't think Apple can actually force Flash out of > Mac OS X. > > Well, it's not, since you can actually find this on Google quite easily. > Nonetheless, it was a very amusing read. It gave me the opportunity to bring > it up as a debate, actually, and it's very interesting to hear people's > thoughts, I'd say. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > AIM: cincinster > yahoo Messenger: cin368 > Facebook Profile > My Twitter > > On May 3, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Darcy Burnard wrote: > >> Hi. Being annoyed by flash is definitely not exclusively a blind thing. If >> it were, things like the click to flash plugin would not exist. >> Darcy >> >> On 2010-05-02, at 8:01 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >> >>> the truth of it only being the VI community is not exactly true. I have >>> friends who are in web design and they cannot stand flash. Several of them >>> are very happy with the now viable alternatives. flash makes it "easy" for >>> pretty much any one without much knowledge of writing code to create a >>> website, it also makes a lot of websites act eratically, and most web >>> designers, who do their jobs professionally will tell you the world would >>> be much better without flash clogging up websites. So sighted or not, it's >>> not just those of us who can't utilise the flash content, professionals who >>> design websites dislike it even more. >>> >>> On 3 May 2010, at 00:08, Pete Nalda wrote: >>> >>>> Haha! Yes, good debate for sure. I actually googled "Flash Being removed >>>> from os X" and did come up with a "fake Steve Jobs Diary" tweet report on >>>> techblips.com. But no reference as to whether this was really true. I >>>> think it's a great debate, and something I think few people are willing to >>>> debate, preferring to sweep it under the table. Flash makes designing >>>> websites with lots of dazzle fairly easy, but I think the Visually >>>> Impaired community are the only ones who hate flash the most because of >>>> its' inaccessibility to screenreaders. >>>> >>>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Hey, I guess that just answered my question. It might just be replaced >>>>> soon, though. Flash is getting old now, and we need a standard that is >>>>> just implemented, doesn't require any third-party plugins to work like >>>>> Flash essentially is, and doesn't crash your shit. That doesn't mean >>>>> HTML5 can't, but at least, we can see what is actually on HTML5 pages and >>>>> for good reason. >>>>> >>>>> I just love starting these debates. Oops? >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>> My Twitter >>>>> >>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 11:24 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> how are you accessing them anyway sarah? Flash content is not visible >>>>>> with VO >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 22:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> but how would twaudio work wiht out flash? you need to hit recording >>>>>>> buttons in order to use it if you wanted to record directly from the >>>>>>> website. >>>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, any platform could be argued to be better without flash, it's a >>>>>>>> processor pig, is proprietary, and isn't keeping up according to the >>>>>>>> wisdom of today. From a vo user's point of view, and even ask the >>>>>>>> linux-kids, windows is the only platform where it is marginally >>>>>>>> accessible. Something like html5 and h.264 streamed videos would work >>>>>>>> any and everywhere without a proprietary plug in or so I've been lead >>>>>>>> to believe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>>>> On 2010-05-02, at 5:00 PM, Edward wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>>> I am new to the list and wondering why no flash is good news? Is vo >>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>> with other formats of streaming video? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>> Edward >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:55 PM >>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Flash removed from OS X? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> really? Where did you hear such great news? ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 21:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Whoa, that's like...allout. I'm not sure what to say. Did I >>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>> this? No. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, if no one figured this one out, Flash support is >>>>>>>>> apparently >>>>>>>>> being removed from OS X. I thought I'd be the first to post this. I >>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>> think anyone else has. Same reasons that were made public in Steve's >>>>>>>>> letter >>>>>>>>> on thoughts on Flash. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicolai-Svendsen/509197277> >>>>>>>>> My Twitter <http://twitter.com/chojiro> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Egun On, Lagunak! 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