Nic: bring on the coffee here please. There's eleven! Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicolai Svendsen To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:32 AM Subject: Re: Flash removed from OS X?
Hey, Certainly. I've never seen so many messages hit the list that quickly. I was sitting here going "No one has responded yet." I go to brew a load of coffee, and when I come back I've got ten messages. I was a bit surprised. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 3, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Nic, > > It is a good discussion for debate. What it does is give folks an opportunity to consider the benefits or lack there of where flash is concerned. It also is a chance to consider whether Adobe would seriously have a legal case. because there had been if I recall some threat made over preventing flash on the iPhone. I recall something about lost revenue or some such thing, but don't quote me on that. The entire discussion is interesting for sure. > > On May 3, 2010, at 1:20 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> *grins* Darcy my secret is out! >> >> Yes, it's not true. Maybe. What is echoed in that "Fake Steve Jobs" post might happen someday, but I don't think Apple can actually force Flash out of Mac OS X. >> >> Well, it's not, since you can actually find this on Google quite easily. Nonetheless, it was a very amusing read. It gave me the opportunity to bring it up as a debate, actually, and it's very interesting to hear people's thoughts, I'd say. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 3, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Darcy Burnard wrote: >> >>> Hi. Being annoyed by flash is definitely not exclusively a blind thing. If it were, things like the click to flash plugin would not exist. >>> Darcy >>> >>> On 2010-05-02, at 8:01 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>> >>>> the truth of it only being the VI community is not exactly true. I have friends who are in web design and they cannot stand flash. Several of them are very happy with the now viable alternatives. flash makes it "easy" for pretty much any one without much knowledge of writing code to create a website, it also makes a lot of websites act eratically, and most web designers, who do their jobs professionally will tell you the world would be much better without flash clogging up websites. So sighted or not, it's not just those of us who can't utilise the flash content, professionals who design websites dislike it even more. >>>> >>>> On 3 May 2010, at 00:08, Pete Nalda wrote: >>>> >>>>> Haha! Yes, good debate for sure. I actually googled "Flash Being removed from os X" and did come up with a "fake Steve Jobs Diary" tweet report on techblips.com. But no reference as to whether this was really true. I think it's a great debate, and something I think few people are willing to debate, preferring to sweep it under the table. Flash makes designing websites with lots of dazzle fairly easy, but I think the Visually Impaired community are the only ones who hate flash the most because of its' inaccessibility to screenreaders. >>>>> >>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, I guess that just answered my question. It might just be replaced soon, though. Flash is getting old now, and we need a standard that is just implemented, doesn't require any third-party plugins to work like Flash essentially is, and doesn't crash your shit. That doesn't mean HTML5 can't, but at least, we can see what is actually on HTML5 pages and for good reason. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just love starting these debates. Oops? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 11:24 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> how are you accessing them anyway sarah? Flash content is not visible with VO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 22:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but how would twaudio work wiht out flash? you need to hit recording buttons in order to use it if you wanted to record directly from the website. >>>>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, any platform could be argued to be better without flash, it's a processor pig, is proprietary, and isn't keeping up according to the wisdom of today. From a vo user's point of view, and even ask the linux-kids, windows is the only platform where it is marginally accessible. Something like html5 and h.264 streamed videos would work any and everywhere without a proprietary plug in or so I've been lead to believe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-02, at 5:00 PM, Edward wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>>>> I am new to the list and wondering why no flash is good news? Is vo better >>>>>>>>>> with other formats of streaming video? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> Edward >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:55 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Flash removed from OS X? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> really? Where did you hear such great news? ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 21:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Whoa, that's like...allout. I'm not sure what to say. Did I expect >>>>>>>>>> this? No. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if no one figured this one out, Flash support is apparently >>>>>>>>>> being removed from OS X. I thought I'd be the first to post this. I don't >>>>>>>>>> think anyone else has. Same reasons that were made public in Steve's letter >>>>>>>>>> on thoughts on Flash. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicolai-Svendsen/509197277> >>>>>>>>>> My Twitter <http://twitter.com/chojiro> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! 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