Hey, Certainly. I've never seen so many messages hit the list that quickly. I was sitting here going "No one has responded yet." I go to brew a load of coffee, and when I come back I've got ten messages. I was a bit surprised.
Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On May 3, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Nic, > > It is a good discussion for debate. What it does is give folks an opportunity > to consider the benefits or lack there of where flash is concerned. It also > is a chance to consider whether Adobe would seriously have a legal case. > because there had been if I recall some threat made over preventing flash on > the iPhone. I recall something about lost revenue or some such thing, but > don't quote me on that. The entire discussion is interesting for sure. > > On May 3, 2010, at 1:20 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> *grins* Darcy my secret is out! >> >> Yes, it's not true. Maybe. What is echoed in that "Fake Steve Jobs" post >> might happen someday, but I don't think Apple can actually force Flash out >> of Mac OS X. >> >> Well, it's not, since you can actually find this on Google quite easily. >> Nonetheless, it was a very amusing read. It gave me the opportunity to bring >> it up as a debate, actually, and it's very interesting to hear people's >> thoughts, I'd say. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >> AIM: cincinster >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> Facebook Profile >> My Twitter >> >> On May 3, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Darcy Burnard wrote: >> >>> Hi. Being annoyed by flash is definitely not exclusively a blind thing. >>> If it were, things like the click to flash plugin would not exist. >>> Darcy >>> >>> On 2010-05-02, at 8:01 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>> >>>> the truth of it only being the VI community is not exactly true. I have >>>> friends who are in web design and they cannot stand flash. Several of them >>>> are very happy with the now viable alternatives. flash makes it "easy" for >>>> pretty much any one without much knowledge of writing code to create a >>>> website, it also makes a lot of websites act eratically, and most web >>>> designers, who do their jobs professionally will tell you the world would >>>> be much better without flash clogging up websites. So sighted or not, it's >>>> not just those of us who can't utilise the flash content, professionals >>>> who design websites dislike it even more. >>>> >>>> On 3 May 2010, at 00:08, Pete Nalda wrote: >>>> >>>>> Haha! Yes, good debate for sure. I actually googled "Flash Being >>>>> removed from os X" and did come up with a "fake Steve Jobs Diary" tweet >>>>> report on techblips.com. But no reference as to whether this was really >>>>> true. I think it's a great debate, and something I think few people are >>>>> willing to debate, preferring to sweep it under the table. Flash makes >>>>> designing websites with lots of dazzle fairly easy, but I think the >>>>> Visually Impaired community are the only ones who hate flash the most >>>>> because of its' inaccessibility to screenreaders. >>>>> >>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey, I guess that just answered my question. It might just be replaced >>>>>> soon, though. Flash is getting old now, and we need a standard that is >>>>>> just implemented, doesn't require any third-party plugins to work like >>>>>> Flash essentially is, and doesn't crash your shit. That doesn't mean >>>>>> HTML5 can't, but at least, we can see what is actually on HTML5 pages >>>>>> and for good reason. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just love starting these debates. Oops? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>> My Twitter >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 11:24 PM, marie Howarth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> how are you accessing them anyway sarah? Flash content is not visible >>>>>>> with VO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 22:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but how would twaudio work wiht out flash? you need to hit recording >>>>>>>> buttons in order to use it if you wanted to record directly from the >>>>>>>> website. >>>>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, any platform could be argued to be better without flash, it's >>>>>>>>> a processor pig, is proprietary, and isn't keeping up according to >>>>>>>>> the wisdom of today. From a vo user's point of view, and even ask the >>>>>>>>> linux-kids, windows is the only platform where it is marginally >>>>>>>>> accessible. Something like html5 and h.264 streamed videos would work >>>>>>>>> any and everywhere without a proprietary plug in or so I've been lead >>>>>>>>> to believe. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>>>>> On 2010-05-02, at 5:00 PM, Edward wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>>>> I am new to the list and wondering why no flash is good news? Is vo >>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>> with other formats of streaming video? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>> Edward >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:55 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Flash removed from OS X? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> really? Where did you hear such great news? ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 21:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Whoa, that's like...allout. I'm not sure what to say. Did I >>>>>>>>>> expect >>>>>>>>>> this? No. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, if no one figured this one out, Flash support is >>>>>>>>>> apparently >>>>>>>>>> being removed from OS X. I thought I'd be the first to post this. I >>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> think anyone else has. Same reasons that were made public in Steve's >>>>>>>>>> letter >>>>>>>>>> on thoughts on Flash. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>>>>>>>>> Skype: Kvalme >>>>>>>>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>>>>>>>>> AIM: cincinster >>>>>>>>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>>>>>>>>> Facebook Profile >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/people/Nicolai-Svendsen/509197277> >>>>>>>>>> My Twitter <http://twitter.com/chojiro> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Egun On, Lagunak! 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