Hi,

*grins* Darcy my secret is out!

Yes, it's not true. Maybe. What is echoed in that "Fake Steve Jobs" post might 
happen someday, but I don't think Apple can actually force Flash out of Mac OS 
X.

Well, it's not, since you can actually find this on Google quite easily. 
Nonetheless, it was a very amusing read. It gave me the opportunity to bring it 
up as a debate, actually, and it's very interesting to hear people's thoughts, 
I'd say.

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On May 3, 2010, at 3:41 AM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

> Hi.  Being annoyed by flash is definitely not exclusively a blind thing.  If 
> it were, things like the click to flash plugin would not exist.  
> Darcy
> 
> On 2010-05-02, at 8:01 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> the truth of it only being the VI community is not exactly true. I have 
>> friends who are in web design and they cannot stand flash. Several of them 
>> are very happy with the now viable alternatives. flash makes it "easy" for 
>> pretty much any one without much knowledge of writing code to create a 
>> website, it also makes a lot of websites act eratically, and most web 
>> designers, who do their jobs professionally will tell you the world would be 
>> much better without flash clogging up websites. So sighted or not, it's not 
>> just those of us who can't utilise the flash content, professionals who 
>> design websites dislike it even more.
>> 
>> On 3 May 2010, at 00:08, Pete Nalda wrote:
>> 
>>> Haha!  Yes, good debate for sure.  I actually googled "Flash Being removed 
>>> from os X" and did come up with a "fake Steve Jobs Diary" tweet report on 
>>> techblips.com.  But no reference as to whether this was really true.  I 
>>> think it's a great debate, and something I think few people are willing to 
>>> debate, preferring to sweep it under the table.  Flash makes designing 
>>> websites with lots of dazzle fairly easy, but I think the Visually Impaired 
>>> community are the only ones who hate flash the most because of its' 
>>> inaccessibility to screenreaders.
>>> 
>>> On May 2, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Hey, I guess that just answered my question. It might just be replaced 
>>>> soon, though. Flash is getting old now, and we need a standard that is 
>>>> just implemented, doesn't require any third-party plugins to work like 
>>>> Flash essentially is, and doesn't crash your shit. That doesn't mean HTML5 
>>>> can't, but at least, we can see what is actually on HTML5 pages and for 
>>>> good reason.
>>>> 
>>>> I just love starting these debates. Oops?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
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>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 11:24 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> how are you accessing them anyway sarah? Flash content is not visible 
>>>>> with VO
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 22:19, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> but how would twaudio work wiht out flash? you need to hit recording 
>>>>>> buttons in order to use it if you wanted to record directly from the 
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>> On May 2, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Kaare Dehard wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello, any platform could be argued to be better without flash, it's a 
>>>>>>> processor pig, is proprietary, and isn't keeping up according to the 
>>>>>>> wisdom of today. From a vo user's point of view, and even ask the 
>>>>>>> linux-kids, windows is the only platform where it is marginally 
>>>>>>> accessible. Something like html5 and h.264 streamed videos would work 
>>>>>>> any and everywhere without a proprietary plug in or so I've been lead 
>>>>>>> to believe.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>>> On 2010-05-02, at 5:00 PM, Edward wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello 
>>>>>>>> I am new to the list and wondering why no flash is good news?  Is vo 
>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>> with other formats of streaming video?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Edward
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 4:55 PM
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Flash removed from OS X?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> really? Where did you hear such great news? ;)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 2 May 2010, at 21:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        Hi,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        Whoa, that's like...allout. I'm not sure what to say. Did I 
>>>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>>> this? No.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        Well, if no one figured this one out, Flash support is 
>>>>>>>> apparently
>>>>>>>> being removed from OS X. I thought I'd be the first to post this. I 
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> think anyone else has. Same reasons that were made public in Steve's 
>>>>>>>> letter
>>>>>>>> on thoughts on Flash.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>        Regards,
>>>>>>>>        Nic
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>>> Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates)
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