From: "Mark Humphries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Phill Shields'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:00:14 +0100
Erm, tell me, did Derry play for us again?
Did Wise say that the player would be sold or sacked? No - thats what
people on the list here and the press were assuming, I said at the time
that
Wise (rightly) said that the player in question wouldnt play for Leeds
again. He didnt promise a full debrief of the incident for the fans or
press.
Newell is as thick as pig shit. How would he know that Nicholls had been
offered to other clubs? He may well have been told this by Nicholls agent
to chivvy along a deal/approach. I doubt Newell is a liar in this instance
but that doesnt mean to say that Wise is either. Wise said Nicholls
wasnt
offered to other clubs, but he can only clearly speak on his/LUFC behalf,
what Nicholls' agent got up to is another matter entirely.
So, in those two examples I have shown that in the first instance Wise
clearly didnt lie, he was true to his word, and in the second instance why
on earth would Wise get pissed off that Nicholls wanted to go back to
Luton,
a relegation contender, if he had already ok'd him to go to QPR, another
relegation contender?
As I said, Wise may be a lot of things but I dont think he is a liar, and
I
have yet to see any evidence to the contrary.
-----Original Message-----
From: Phill Shields [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 May 2007 17:47
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
ok - what about accusing a player of deliberately leaking the team to
Palace
before the game, saying that player would never play for Leeds again and
then........................nothing?
I used the term misinforming and as things stand in this example it is
accurate.
Mike Newell of course disputes Wise's version of events - are you saying
Newell is a liar?
I personally wouldnt trust Wise as far as I could chuck him but you have
gathered that already.
>From: "Mark Humphries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Phill Shields'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
>Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 16:41:10 +0100
>
>He may be a lot of things but Wise doesnt strike me as a liar.
>
>Any rumours suggesting he is, therefore, I take with a huge pinch of
salt.
>
>Nicholls was dropped because he contacted Newell/Luton and said he wanted
>to
>go back there. Not because he insisted that Kelly played, which in
itself
>is frankly unbelievable - since when do captains think they can pick the
>side? He may have suggested something to Wise on that front, although at
>that time I believe Kelly was still injured, but Wise wouldnt get all
>arsey
>about it, he would simply tell Nicholls to get back to training, or even
>explain that we cannot afford to pay an extra £4k per match. That would
>have been the start and end of it.
>
>Also the rumour about the rift with Cresswell is a load of bollox. "He
>would have been dropped had Elliot been fully fit". Why not play 4-5-1?
>Why
>not play one of the other kids? Why put Elliot in the squad if not fully
>fit? Why not sub Cresswell at the first opportunity?
>
>Load of bollox the lot of it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phill Shields
>Sent: 08 May 2007 16:13
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
>
>Andy
>
>I have commented on the rumours because of Bates saying that Wise has
>sorted
>
>out the dressing room and IMHO it is not the case and IMHO that is clear.
>We
>
>know the are problems there and unfortunately when further rumours come
out
>about last Wednesday (soz but they appear pretty credible) I think that
>there is something in them.
>
>Neither Bates, Wise or LUFC need any help in shit-stirring. They have
been
>misinforming us for ages - what goes around comes around.
>
>As for helping our detractors, FFS we havent a leg to stand on.
>
>You can wait for the biographies and kiss & tell articles in the tabloids
>to
>
>get your "facts" - its just your semantics mate. I'm just watching Rome
>burn.
>
>
>
>Phill
>
> >From: "Andy Clayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Phill Shields" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
> >Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:03:47 +0100
> >
> >On 08/05/07, Phill Shields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I can't believe this sh*te I really cant.
> > >
> > > Bates has said that Wise inherited an unfit side where there was
> >backroom
> > > unrest.
> > >
> > > I think ACAS would have a field ady with the fallouts that have gone
>on
> > > since Wise took over and its pretty clear there was a big falling
out
>on
> > > Wednesdays before kells do.
> >
> >Why is it clear? Because the YEP (who are hardly on speaking terms
> >with Bates) said so? Or because the allegations were on WACCOE? The
> >same thread breaking this news also had a rebuttal from someone who
> >equally knew someone connected and said that not all reported had
> >happened and implied it may just have been shit stirring.
> >
> >I'd hardly say it's clear. What I think is clear is that nothing is
> >clear - and until it becomes clear (whichever way the ground lays) the
> >only benefit for this continued shit stirring &
> >Bates/Wise/Kelly/Mole/Derry bashing is to add more grist to the mill
> >for our detractors.
> >
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