From: "Mark Humphries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Phill Shields'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:07:30 +0100
Wise 'opened his gob' in the post CP press conference and said that one of
his players had given info to CP before the game about the team, and that
player would not play for Leeds again.
Tell me, has Derry played since he said that?
Tell me, did Wise, at any point, say that the player would be sacked?
Tell me, did Wise, at any point, say that he over-reacted?
No. How you therefore say that he publicly back-tracked I find hard to
see.
He did exactly what he publicly said he would do. Now others, on the other
hand, were suggesting the player would be named & shamed, would be sold,
would be sacked etc etc. Wise, I think you will find, did not.
Wrt the Nicholls situation, I simply put forward an alternative (and I
would
say more realistic) sequence of events.
Calling Wise a liar based on a load of tosh posted up on a chat forum, and
the infamous 'i have been told by x at the club but I cant say who it is,
but believe me it really really is the truth, scouts honour' line we have
heard a million times before is frankly ridiculous.
If you are going to call someone a liar publicly at least have the common
courtesy to provide facts to back that up. Think yourself lucky that Wise
isnt as litigious as Bates, is all I can say.
I'm not suggesting for a second that people should like the bloke, I am old
enough and ugly enough to know I'm ever going to change anyone's opinion on
that score but, as I said, in my opinion he may be a lot of things but a
liar he aint. If you are going to argue he is then at least let's see some
facts. I believe I have provided enough 'proof' to justify my assertion
that actually he didnt lie, or backtrack on the mole issue. Its generally
taken for granted the 'mole' was Derry. Wise said at the time that the
person would not play for Leeds again.
Once again, has Derry played for Leeds since that game?
-----Original Message-----
From: Phill Shields [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09 May 2007 13:51
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
Mark
apparently Derry hasnt played for the pathetic reason that he is on
crutches. Of course since Wise opened his gob there has been a public
back-tracking and its apparent that Wise over-reacted. Lesson - keep your
gob shut if you dont know the facts.
Saying Newell is a c&nt doesnt make Wise a saint. Who gave you all the
facts
by the way, have you inside knowledge or are your relying on rumours like
the rest of us.
Your response proves nothing apart from you are prepared to give Wise the
benefit of the doubt. Fair enough, I'm not.
Your loyalty to Wise is touching, can I suggest that you and other fans who
share your feelings will be rewarded accordingly.
Phill
>From: "Mark Humphries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Phill Shields'"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
>Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:00:14 +0100
>
>Erm, tell me, did Derry play for us again?
>
>Did Wise say that the player would be sold or sacked? No - thats what
>people on the list here and the press were assuming, I said at the time
>that
>Wise (rightly) said that the player in question wouldnt play for Leeds
>again. He didnt promise a full debrief of the incident for the fans or
>press.
>
>Newell is as thick as pig shit. How would he know that Nicholls had been
>offered to other clubs? He may well have been told this by Nicholls
agent
>to chivvy along a deal/approach. I doubt Newell is a liar in this
instance
>but that doesnt mean to say that Wise is either. Wise said Nicholls
>wasnt
>offered to other clubs, but he can only clearly speak on his/LUFC behalf,
>what Nicholls' agent got up to is another matter entirely.
>
>So, in those two examples I have shown that in the first instance Wise
>clearly didnt lie, he was true to his word, and in the second instance
why
>on earth would Wise get pissed off that Nicholls wanted to go back to
>Luton,
>a relegation contender, if he had already ok'd him to go to QPR, another
>relegation contender?
>
>As I said, Wise may be a lot of things but I dont think he is a liar,
and
>I
>have yet to see any evidence to the contrary.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Phill Shields [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 08 May 2007 17:47
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
>
>ok - what about accusing a player of deliberately leaking the team to
>Palace
>
>before the game, saying that player would never play for Leeds again and
>then........................nothing?
>
>I used the term misinforming and as things stand in this example it is
>accurate.
>
>Mike Newell of course disputes Wise's version of events - are you saying
>Newell is a liar?
>
>I personally wouldnt trust Wise as far as I could chuck him but you have
>gathered that already.
>
>
> >From: "Mark Humphries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'Phill Shields'"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
> >Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 16:41:10 +0100
> >
> >He may be a lot of things but Wise doesnt strike me as a liar.
> >
> >Any rumours suggesting he is, therefore, I take with a huge pinch of
>salt.
> >
> >Nicholls was dropped because he contacted Newell/Luton and said he
wanted
> >to
> >go back there. Not because he insisted that Kelly played, which in
>itself
> >is frankly unbelievable - since when do captains think they can pick
the
> >side? He may have suggested something to Wise on that front, although
at
> >that time I believe Kelly was still injured, but Wise wouldnt get all
> >arsey
> >about it, he would simply tell Nicholls to get back to training, or
even
> >explain that we cannot afford to pay an extra £4k per match. That
would
> >have been the start and end of it.
> >
> >Also the rumour about the rift with Cresswell is a load of bollox. "He
> >would have been dropped had Elliot been fully fit". Why not play 4-5-1?
> >Why
> >not play one of the other kids? Why put Elliot in the squad if not
fully
> >fit? Why not sub Cresswell at the first opportunity?
> >
> >Load of bollox the lot of it.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phill Shields
> >Sent: 08 May 2007 16:13
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Cc: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
> >
> >Andy
> >
> >I have commented on the rumours because of Bates saying that Wise has
> >sorted
> >
> >out the dressing room and IMHO it is not the case and IMHO that is
clear.
> >We
> >
> >know the are problems there and unfortunately when further rumours come
>out
> >about last Wednesday (soz but they appear pretty credible) I think that
> >there is something in them.
> >
> >Neither Bates, Wise or LUFC need any help in shit-stirring. They have
>been
> >misinforming us for ages - what goes around comes around.
> >
> >As for helping our detractors, FFS we havent a leg to stand on.
> >
> >You can wait for the biographies and kiss & tell articles in the
tabloids
> >to
> >
> >get your "facts" - its just your semantics mate. I'm just watching Rome
> >burn.
> >
> >
> >
> >Phill
> >
> > >From: "Andy Clayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: "Phill Shields" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >CC: [email protected]
> > >Subject: Re: [LU] Revelations or Allegations (take your pick...)
> > >Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:03:47 +0100
> > >
> > >On 08/05/07, Phill Shields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > I can't believe this sh*te I really cant.
> > > >
> > > > Bates has said that Wise inherited an unfit side where there was
> > >backroom
> > > > unrest.
> > > >
> > > > I think ACAS would have a field ady with the fallouts that have
gone
> >on
> > > > since Wise took over and its pretty clear there was a big falling
>out
> >on
> > > > Wednesdays before kells do.
> > >
> > >Why is it clear? Because the YEP (who are hardly on speaking terms
> > >with Bates) said so? Or because the allegations were on WACCOE? The
> > >same thread breaking this news also had a rebuttal from someone who
> > >equally knew someone connected and said that not all reported had
> > >happened and implied it may just have been shit stirring.
> > >
> > >I'd hardly say it's clear. What I think is clear is that nothing is
> > >clear - and until it becomes clear (whichever way the ground lays)
the
> > >only benefit for this continued shit stirring &
> > >Bates/Wise/Kelly/Mole/Derry bashing is to add more grist to the mill
> > >for our detractors.
> > >
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