On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 at 00:17, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 9, 2024, at 01:29, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> > > wrote: > > > > I don't see what's wrong with saying "Member of a PMC" or "PMC > > Member". That's clear, factual, and if sometimes people say "PMC" but > > mean "PMC member" that's not dramatic, and easy to fix. > > I believe that the reason we use the acronym PMC is that it's (much) easier > to type than Project Management Committee. And similarly, especially for > those for whom English is not their primary language, Member of PMC is a > whole lot harder to type than MPMC. > > I also did a bit of scrolling through PMC onboarding messages and found many > examples where the PMC member inviting the new MPMC misused the PMC term. For > example: > > Invitation to become Apache Airflow PMC: Joe Bleau > [VOTE] Joe Bleau as Dubbo PMC > Invitation to become Apache YuniKorn (Incubating) PPMC > Invitation to become AGE PPMC: Joe Bleau > RE: Invitation to the Lucene.NET PMC > Invitation to become Superset PMC: Joe Bleau > > I've prepared a message to the communities involved asking them to review > their onboarding templates to update the wrong terminology. [1] > > I still think we can do a better job of reinforcing our documentation along > the lines started by tison. > > And I agree that the discussion should continue on the Members list. > > Regards, > Craig (Member hat) > > > [1] Message to 15 PPMC and PMC private lists; review comments welcome: > > tl;dr please review and update your onboarding process for new PMC members > > There is an ongoing discussion in the Incubator regarding how to refer to PMC > members. The discussion is around the misuse of the term PMC to refer to PMC > members. > > https://apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#PMC > > "Avoid referring to a member of a PMC as "a PMC", as it can cause confusion > about whether you are talking about the group or an individual." > > When I investigated the onboarding process for new PMC members I found > several cases where the invitation to the new PMC member explicitly referred > to the new PMC member to "become PMC" instead of "become a PMC member". For > example, > > Invitation to become Apache Airflow PMC: Joe Bleau > [VOTE] Joe Bleau as Dubbo PMC > Invitation to become Apache YuniKorn (Incubating) PPMC > Invitation to become AGE PPMC: Joe Bleau > RE: Invitation to the Lucene.NET PMC The previous one is borderline: c.f. 'invitation to team' does not imply the person is a team.
> Invitation to become Superset PMC: Joe Bleau > > Without going deeper into this issue, I assume that there are templates that > are used to invite new members into the PMC, and the terminology used in the > templates is erroneous. > > Can you please review and update your onboarding process and templates to be > sure that new PMC members are not referred to as "PMC". It would be helpful to provide suggested replacements. For example: Invitation to join the Apache Airflow PMC: Joe Bleau [VOTE] Joe Bleau to join the Dubbo PMC Invitation to join the Apache YuniKorn (Incubating) PPMC Invitation to join the AGE PPMC: Joe Bleau RE: Invitation to join the Lucene.NET PMC Invitation to join the Superset PMC: Joe Bleau or Invitation to become an Apache Airflow PMC member: Joe Bleau [VOTE] Joe Bleau as Dubbo PMC member Invitation to become an Apache YuniKorn (Incubating) PPMC member or Invitation to become a member of AGE PPMC: Joe Bleau RE: Invitation to become a member of Lucene.NET PMC Invitation to become a member of Superset PMC: Joe Bleau I slightlly prefer the use of 'join' because it sounds more inclusive, but 'join' won't work everywhere. > Thanks, > Craig > > Craig L Russell > c...@apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
