I do believe that you spelled it incorrectly, it is bikeshedding, one word.
And, shouldn't it be, PMCM or PMCm? That makes more sense. john On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 10:32 AM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > As long as we are bike shedding: > > We have PMC: Project Management Committee > PPMC: Podling Project Management Committee > MPMC: Member, Project Management Committee > > Craig > > > On Jul 2, 2024, at 23:52, Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> > wrote: > > > > I mean … I think I have never really been confused if someone used “PMC” > or “PMC member” as from the context it was clear. > > What however I really hate to see in emails is people using short forms > LMAA, WTF, IANAL, STFU, … this list is long and obviously I listed the ones > I knew. > > Quite often when people use these short forms, I feel a bit excluded and > have to search or ask what they mean, so if we freak out about people using > the short form PMC, then I would also argue to freak out on using other > short forms ;-) > > > > Chris > > > > Von: Yuanbo Liu <liuyuanb...@gmail.com> > > Datum: Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2024 um 05:24 > > An: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> > > Betreff: Re: PMC is a committee > > Also it's driving me crazy to see native speakers saying "...not...no > > more". Teachers tell me it is supposed to be "any more".. > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 11:03 AM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> ... and yes. For non-native speakers, it's possible to feel less > >> uncomfortable to use "PMC" as an abbr. to PMC members. Just .. as an > >> opaque term. > >> > >> Best, > >> tison. > >> > >> Xuanwo <xua...@apache.org> 于2024年7月2日周二 19:56写道： > >>> > >>> This thread reminds me of tison's proposal that use "Maintainer" > instead > >> of "PMC Member". > >>> > >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, at 10:04, Jiacai Liu wrote: > >>>>> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong > >>>>> thing *or* > >>>>> get into bad habits. > >>>> > >>>> Thank John for your kindly understanding. > >>>> > >>>> Also as a non-native English speaker, when I see abbreviation like > >>>> PMC, > >>>> my first insight is this word could be used on its own, `PMC > >>>> member` looks a little redundancy for me... > >>>> > >>>> on Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 08:50:45 AM +0800, John Gemignani wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> My 2 cents as being a PMC member and once part of incubation,... > >>>>> > >>>>> To be honest, I've never really paid much attention when someone > >>>>> stated > >>>>> they're a PMC. I knew what was meant and just auto corrected it > >>>>> in my head. > >>>>> I have used, without fully thinking about it, PMC as, "I am a > >>>>> PMC" as well. > >>>>> When I meant, or should have meant, "I am a PMC member", and I'm > >>>>> a native > >>>>> English speaker. > >>>>> > >>>>> As was mentioned, people from different cultures might have > >>>>> different ways > >>>>> of using a term like PMC. I just don't feel that getting upset > >>>>> over, > >>>>> arguably an innocuous misuse, engenders community. > >>>>> > >>>>> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong > >>>>> thing *or* > >>>>> get into bad habits. > >>>>> > >>>>> Again, my 2 cents. > >>>>> > >>>>> john > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 5:33 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Tison, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I’m sympathetic as well. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2024, at 5:11 PM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Greg, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I saw this kind of thread many times, and I also corrected it > >>>>>>> dozens > >>>>>>> of times. Actually, this is part of the reason for [1] > >>>>>>> ("Maintainer" > >>>>>>> as an alias of PMC Member?). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw > >>>>>> > >>>>>> That quickly turned into a not very sympathetic response from > >>>>>> most. An > >>>>>> easy what to name the Bikeshed. I think that most of our group > >>>>>> are people > >>>>>> whose second language is python, java, or fortran and their > >>>>>> first language > >>>>>> is some version of English. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Somehow, I share the sympathy for non-native speakers to make > >>>>>>> an > >>>>>>> analogy between committer and "PMC" since they're all > >>>>>>> one-word > >>>>>>> phrases. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Maybe explain it from your perspective as a speaker of Mandarin > >>>>>> (or > >>>>>> Cantonese?). How does the phrase Committee Member translate > >>>>>> compared to > >>>>>> Committee. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best, > >>>>>> Dave > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>> tison. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> 于2024年7月2日周二 17:05写道： > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I am getting really tired of seeing people refer to > >>>>>>>> *MEMBERS* of a PMC > >>>>>> as > >>>>>>>> "PMCs". > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> PMC stands for Project Management Committee. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You have MEMBERS of that PMC. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> People are never to be called a PMC, nor a group of them as > >>>>>>>> PMCs. People > >>>>>>>> are not committees. The acronym "PMC" is short for a > >>>>>>>> committee, not a > >>>>>>>> person. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Please stop the confusion. Teach the community how to use > >>>>>>>> the proper > >>>>>> terms. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>> Greg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>>>>>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>>>>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>>>>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>>>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Xuanwo > >>> > >>> https://xuanwo.io/ > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > Craig L Russell > c...@apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
