> On Jul 3, 2024, at 10:36 AM, John Gemignani <jrgemign...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I do believe that you spelled it incorrectly, it is bikeshedding, one word.
>
> And, shouldn't it be, PMCM or PMCm? That makes more sense.
That’s what I’m thinking too. Which makes the incubator versions PPMCM or PPMCm.
Or, horrible joke follows: if you want to go all Roman numeral / Dewey decimal
system - PP.1900 for PPMC members and PP.100 for PPMC - let’s etch that in
stone :-D and/or put it on the shelf.
>
> john
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 10:32 AM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As long as we are bike shedding:
>>
>> We have PMC: Project Management Committee
>> PPMC: Podling Project Management Committee
>> MPMC: Member, Project Management Committee
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>> On Jul 2, 2024, at 23:52, Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I mean … I think I have never really been confused if someone used “PMC”
>> or “PMC member” as from the context it was clear.
>>> What however I really hate to see in emails is people using short forms
>> LMAA, WTF, IANAL, STFU, … this list is long and obviously I listed the ones
>> I knew.
>>> Quite often when people use these short forms, I feel a bit excluded and
>> have to search or ask what they mean, so if we freak out about people using
>> the short form PMC, then I would also argue to freak out on using other
>> short forms ;-)
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Von: Yuanbo Liu <liuyuanb...@gmail.com>
>>> Datum: Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2024 um 05:24
>>> An: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Betreff: Re: PMC is a committee
>>> Also it's driving me crazy to see native speakers saying "...not...no
>>> more". Teachers tell me it is supposed to be "any more"..
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 11:03 AM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ... and yes. For non-native speakers, it's possible to feel less
>>>> uncomfortable to use "PMC" as an abbr. to PMC members. Just .. as an
>>>> opaque term.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> tison.
>>>>
>>>> Xuanwo <xua...@apache.org> 于2024年7月2日周二 19:56写道：
>>>>>
>>>>> This thread reminds me of tison's proposal that use "Maintainer"
>> instead
>>>> of "PMC Member".
>>>>>
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, at 10:04, Jiacai Liu wrote:
>>>>>>> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong
>>>>>>> thing *or*
>>>>>>> get into bad habits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank John for your kindly understanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also as a non-native English speaker, when I see abbreviation like
>>>>>> PMC,
>>>>>> my first insight is this word could be used on its own, `PMC
>>>>>> member` looks a little redundancy for me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 08:50:45 AM +0800, John Gemignani wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My 2 cents as being a PMC member and once part of incubation,...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be honest, I've never really paid much attention when someone
>>>>>>> stated
>>>>>>> they're a PMC. I knew what was meant and just auto corrected it
>>>>>>> in my head.
>>>>>>> I have used, without fully thinking about it, PMC as, "I am a
>>>>>>> PMC" as well.
>>>>>>> When I meant, or should have meant, "I am a PMC member", and I'm
>>>>>>> a native
>>>>>>> English speaker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As was mentioned, people from different cultures might have
>>>>>>> different ways
>>>>>>> of using a term like PMC. I just don't feel that getting upset
>>>>>>> over,
>>>>>>> arguably an innocuous misuse, engenders community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong
>>>>>>> thing *or*
>>>>>>> get into bad habits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, my 2 cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> john
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 5:33 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Tison,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m sympathetic as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2024, at 5:11 PM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Greg,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I saw this kind of thread many times, and I also corrected it
>>>>>>>>> dozens
>>>>>>>>> of times. Actually, this is part of the reason for [1]
>>>>>>>>> ("Maintainer"
>>>>>>>>> as an alias of PMC Member?).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That quickly turned into a not very sympathetic response from
>>>>>>>> most. An
>>>>>>>> easy what to name the Bikeshed. I think that most of our group
>>>>>>>> are people
>>>>>>>> whose second language is python, java, or fortran and their
>>>>>>>> first language
>>>>>>>> is some version of English.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Somehow, I share the sympathy for non-native speakers to make
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> analogy between committer and "PMC" since they're all
>>>>>>>>> one-word
>>>>>>>>> phrases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe explain it from your perspective as a speaker of Mandarin
>>>>>>>> (or
>>>>>>>> Cantonese?). How does the phrase Committee Member translate
>>>>>>>> compared to
>>>>>>>> Committee.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> tison.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> 于2024年7月2日周二 17:05写道：
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am getting really tired of seeing people refer to
>>>>>>>>>> *MEMBERS* of a PMC
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> "PMCs".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PMC stands for Project Management Committee.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have MEMBERS of that PMC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People are never to be called a PMC, nor a group of them as
>>>>>>>>>> PMCs. People
>>>>>>>>>> are not committees. The acronym "PMC" is short for a
>>>>>>>>>> committee, not a
>>>>>>>>>> person.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please stop the confusion. Teach the community how to use
>>>>>>>>>> the proper
>>>>>>>> terms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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