As long as we are bike shedding: We have PMC: Project Management Committee PPMC: Podling Project Management Committee MPMC: Member, Project Management Committee
Craig > On Jul 2, 2024, at 23:52, Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> wrote: > > I mean … I think I have never really been confused if someone used “PMC” or > “PMC member” as from the context it was clear. > What however I really hate to see in emails is people using short forms LMAA, > WTF, IANAL, STFU, … this list is long and obviously I listed the ones I knew. > Quite often when people use these short forms, I feel a bit excluded and have > to search or ask what they mean, so if we freak out about people using the > short form PMC, then I would also argue to freak out on using other short > forms ;-) > > Chris > > Von: Yuanbo Liu <liuyuanb...@gmail.com> > Datum: Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2024 um 05:24 > An: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> > Betreff: Re: PMC is a committee > Also it's driving me crazy to see native speakers saying "...not...no > more". Teachers tell me it is supposed to be "any more".. > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 11:03 AM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> ... and yes. For non-native speakers, it's possible to feel less >> uncomfortable to use "PMC" as an abbr. to PMC members. Just .. as an >> opaque term. >> >> Best, >> tison. >> >> Xuanwo <xua...@apache.org> 于2024年7月2日周二 19:56写道： >>> >>> This thread reminds me of tison's proposal that use "Maintainer" instead >> of "PMC Member". >>> >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, at 10:04, Jiacai Liu wrote: >>>>> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong >>>>> thing *or* >>>>> get into bad habits. >>>> >>>> Thank John for your kindly understanding. >>>> >>>> Also as a non-native English speaker, when I see abbreviation like >>>> PMC, >>>> my first insight is this word could be used on its own, `PMC >>>> member` looks a little redundancy for me... >>>> >>>> on Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 08:50:45 AM +0800, John Gemignani wrote: >>>> >>>>> My 2 cents as being a PMC member and once part of incubation,... >>>>> >>>>> To be honest, I've never really paid much attention when someone >>>>> stated >>>>> they're a PMC. I knew what was meant and just auto corrected it >>>>> in my head. >>>>> I have used, without fully thinking about it, PMC as, "I am a >>>>> PMC" as well. >>>>> When I meant, or should have meant, "I am a PMC member", and I'm >>>>> a native >>>>> English speaker. >>>>> >>>>> As was mentioned, people from different cultures might have >>>>> different ways >>>>> of using a term like PMC. I just don't feel that getting upset >>>>> over, >>>>> arguably an innocuous misuse, engenders community. >>>>> >>>>> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong >>>>> thing *or* >>>>> get into bad habits. >>>>> >>>>> Again, my 2 cents. >>>>> >>>>> john >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 5:33 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tison, >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m sympathetic as well. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2024, at 5:11 PM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Greg, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I saw this kind of thread many times, and I also corrected it >>>>>>> dozens >>>>>>> of times. Actually, this is part of the reason for [1] >>>>>>> ("Maintainer" >>>>>>> as an alias of PMC Member?). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw >>>>>> >>>>>> That quickly turned into a not very sympathetic response from >>>>>> most. An >>>>>> easy what to name the Bikeshed. I think that most of our group >>>>>> are people >>>>>> whose second language is python, java, or fortran and their >>>>>> first language >>>>>> is some version of English. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Somehow, I share the sympathy for non-native speakers to make >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> analogy between committer and "PMC" since they're all >>>>>>> one-word >>>>>>> phrases. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe explain it from your perspective as a speaker of Mandarin >>>>>> (or >>>>>> Cantonese?). How does the phrase Committee Member translate >>>>>> compared to >>>>>> Committee. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> tison. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> 于2024年7月2日周二 17:05写道： >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am getting really tired of seeing people refer to >>>>>>>> *MEMBERS* of a PMC >>>>>> as >>>>>>>> "PMCs". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> PMC stands for Project Management Committee. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have MEMBERS of that PMC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> People are never to be called a PMC, nor a group of them as >>>>>>>> PMCs. People >>>>>>>> are not committees. The acronym "PMC" is short for a >>>>>>>> committee, not a >>>>>>>> person. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please stop the confusion. Teach the community how to use >>>>>>>> the proper >>>>>> terms. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Greg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>>>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> -- >>> Xuanwo >>> >>> https://xuanwo.io/ >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> Craig L Russell c...@apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
