Another case for stating oneself as PMC [1] [1] https://www.linkedin.com/in/dannycranmer/
Although it may be interpreted as "I'm part of the PMC". I refer it here to show how widely it's used "exchangeable" .. Best, tison. Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> 于2024年7月3日周三 12:39写道： > > > > On Jul 3, 2024, at 10:36 AM, John Gemignani <jrgemign...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I do believe that you spelled it incorrectly, it is bikeshedding, one > word. > > > > And, shouldn't it be, PMCM or PMCm? That makes more sense. > > That’s what I’m thinking too. Which makes the incubator versions PPMCM or > PPMCm. > > Or, horrible joke follows: if you want to go all Roman numeral / Dewey > decimal system - PP.1900 for PPMC members and PP.100 for PPMC - let’s etch > that in stone :-D and/or put it on the shelf. > > > > > john > > > > On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 10:32 AM Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> As long as we are bike shedding: > >> > >> We have PMC: Project Management Committee > >> PPMC: Podling Project Management Committee > >> MPMC: Member, Project Management Committee > >> > >> Craig > >> > >>> On Jul 2, 2024, at 23:52, Christofer Dutz <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I mean … I think I have never really been confused if someone used > “PMC” > >> or “PMC member” as from the context it was clear. > >>> What however I really hate to see in emails is people using short forms > >> LMAA, WTF, IANAL, STFU, … this list is long and obviously I listed the > ones > >> I knew. > >>> Quite often when people use these short forms, I feel a bit excluded > and > >> have to search or ask what they mean, so if we freak out about people > using > >> the short form PMC, then I would also argue to freak out on using other > >> short forms ;-) > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> Von: Yuanbo Liu <liuyuanb...@gmail.com> > >>> Datum: Mittwoch, 3. Juli 2024 um 05:24 > >>> An: general@incubator.apache.org <general@incubator.apache.org> > >>> Betreff: Re: PMC is a committee > >>> Also it's driving me crazy to see native speakers saying "...not...no > >>> more". Teachers tell me it is supposed to be "any more".. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 11:03 AM tison <wander4...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> ... and yes. For non-native speakers, it's possible to feel less > >>>> uncomfortable to use "PMC" as an abbr. to PMC members. Just .. as an > >>>> opaque term. > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> tison. > >>>> > >>>> Xuanwo <xua...@apache.org> 于2024年7月2日周二 19:56写道： > >>>>> > >>>>> This thread reminds me of tison's proposal that use "Maintainer" > >> instead > >>>> of "PMC Member". > >>>>> > >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw > >>>>> > >>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2024, at 10:04, Jiacai Liu wrote: > >>>>>>> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong > >>>>>>> thing *or* > >>>>>>> get into bad habits. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank John for your kindly understanding. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also as a non-native English speaker, when I see abbreviation like > >>>>>> PMC, > >>>>>> my first insight is this word could be used on its own, `PMC > >>>>>> member` looks a little redundancy for me... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> on Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 08:50:45 AM +0800, John Gemignani wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> My 2 cents as being a PMC member and once part of incubation,... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To be honest, I've never really paid much attention when someone > >>>>>>> stated > >>>>>>> they're a PMC. I knew what was meant and just auto corrected it > >>>>>>> in my head. > >>>>>>> I have used, without fully thinking about it, PMC as, "I am a > >>>>>>> PMC" as well. > >>>>>>> When I meant, or should have meant, "I am a PMC member", and I'm > >>>>>>> a native > >>>>>>> English speaker. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As was mentioned, people from different cultures might have > >>>>>>> different ways > >>>>>>> of using a term like PMC. I just don't feel that getting upset > >>>>>>> over, > >>>>>>> arguably an innocuous misuse, engenders community. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And, we can all be tired, overworked, or lazy and say the wrong > >>>>>>> thing *or* > >>>>>>> get into bad habits. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Again, my 2 cents. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> john > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2024 at 5:33 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi Tison, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I’m sympathetic as well. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2024, at 5:11 PM, tison <wander4...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Greg, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I saw this kind of thread many times, and I also corrected it > >>>>>>>>> dozens > >>>>>>>>> of times. Actually, this is part of the reason for [1] > >>>>>>>>> ("Maintainer" > >>>>>>>>> as an alias of PMC Member?). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/xsjojmksqtnsdjcg0yf4vz0xy82llhmw > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> That quickly turned into a not very sympathetic response from > >>>>>>>> most. An > >>>>>>>> easy what to name the Bikeshed. I think that most of our group > >>>>>>>> are people > >>>>>>>> whose second language is python, java, or fortran and their > >>>>>>>> first language > >>>>>>>> is some version of English. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Somehow, I share the sympathy for non-native speakers to make > >>>>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>> analogy between committer and "PMC" since they're all > >>>>>>>>> one-word > >>>>>>>>> phrases. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Maybe explain it from your perspective as a speaker of Mandarin > >>>>>>>> (or > >>>>>>>> Cantonese?). How does the phrase Committee Member translate > >>>>>>>> compared to > >>>>>>>> Committee. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>> Dave > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>> tison. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> 于2024年7月2日周二 17:05写道： > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hello all, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I am getting really tired of seeing people refer to > >>>>>>>>>> *MEMBERS* of a PMC > >>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>>> "PMCs". > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> PMC stands for Project Management Committee. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> You have MEMBERS of that PMC. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> People are never to be called a PMC, nor a group of them as > >>>>>>>>>> PMCs. People > >>>>>>>>>> are not committees. The acronym "PMC" is short for a > >>>>>>>>>> committee, not a > >>>>>>>>>> person. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Please stop the confusion. Teach the community how to use > >>>>>>>>>> the proper > >>>>>>>> terms. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>> Greg > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>>>>>>>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>>>>>>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>>>>>>> general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>>>>>> general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Xuanwo > >>>>> > >>>>> https://xuanwo.io/ > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> Craig L Russell > >> c...@apache.org > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
