Nick -
I must say, I am grateful and pleased by all these testimonials and I am beginning to sense method in my madness.
I'm glad you were willing able to wade through my gallop of observations/reflections/experiences with these two highly central creatures in my household.
I notice you are much vaguer about Cyd than you are about Hank.
Very much so, as I experience with many cats, she does not reach as far into human psyche/nature to meet me as most dogs (Hank in particular) does.
   So, in your assertion that Cyd is both conscious and self conscious, I am inclined to ask for more details.   So the method goes something like this

We statt with the intouition that because Cyd does X,  Cyd is conscious.

I think you know from my pan-consciousness self-diagnosis that all of the things I am inclined to report about Cyd also applies to the hummingbirds, the lizards she stalks, and the fish Hank barks at.

Cyd has a very highly adaptive sensorimotor system which not only allows her to be good at stalking and catching lizards but also at begging her people to let her out to do so, or to give her a helping of "second dinners" like the hobbit she channels.   She observes, considers, acts, observes the consequences of her acts (the book falling from the top of the bookcase when she traverses it too rambunctioiusly, the way Mary jumps up and lets her out when she hits the right note of plaintive meow, the way the lizard freezes when it senses her).   This is an overwhelming indication of consciousness in my apprehension of the world.

We were implying that an animal's "Love" or "loving relationship with" a human familiar had something to do with consciousness.   I think that is a red-herring,   I don't think the lizards love Mary when she frees them from Cyd's jaws, but I do think they are acutely conscious.

  From our prior  usage of the term, we know that if Cyd is conscious, he will do things A, B, C, D, ....N with greater frequency than otherwise. We check t o  see if this is true. Does Sbe?  Ifso, we now add Cyd to the list  of conscious beings.   Now we check to see if other conscious beings do X with greater frequency than non conscious ones.  If so, we have added to the list of things that conscious beings do.

See above...  A==sense, B==process, C==respond.    I don't know that A, B, C singularly without both of the others even makes sense.

The fish in the pond are almost continuously in some level of motion, they appear to be sensing with their photon and olfactory and vibration/pressure-wave sensors.   They respond to signals (shadow of human or dog looming over pond, insect landing on the surface of the pond, bit of high-nutrient food sinking in the pond) by bolting or gulping or seeking more input (curiosity). While a lot of their processing may be prewired/instinctive, I do believe that part of their processing is in support of "learning".    The dragonflies who like the high-ground of the tips of everything they can alight on seem yet more automatic/instinctual yet they appear (because I project?) to learn... they appear to become more and more tolerant of my approaching them the more I do it?  They likely recognize that despite the appeal of the tip of my car antennae, the tips of the cat-tails in the pond seem to be more appealing given the likely food-flux they can spy and grab from that vantage (but this is a just-so projection since I'm not a very disciplined naturalist, I really have nothing but anecdotal observations).

So perhaps D might be "learn"...

Which takes me to the trees and bushes I feel a strong affinity/familiarity with.   Do they A, B, C (and even D?).  I say yes.  They don't have lenses over their photo-receptors, but since their primary/singular energy gathering activity is photonic/light, they clearly sense light.   They also seem to be able to extend root growth toward water and nutrients, or along same said nutrients...  this represents A and C as does growth "reaching" growth out from under the shade to gather more light? What about B?   B would seem to be entirely pre-wired processing, not adaptive at the scale of the individual single-lifetime organism?   Which spills over to "learning" (D) which maybe isn't happening at the scale of the individual... does a branch or root keep "reaching" even if it gets stymied over and over?  I'm not sure.  So if B and even D are required for "consciousness" then perhaps it is only a population of such organisms and the germline phenotypic expression which we must acknowledge some level of "proto-consciousness" to?

To go on down the line of lower-and lower complexity entities or systems i'd have to grasp further and seek the existing guidance of others in the pan-consciousness world who have worked through this in their own ways.

Bottom line, is that the "bottom line" of consciousness feels very hard for me to even begin to want to draw between Hank and Cyd or where it excludes Lizzy or Fishy or DraggyFly or any and all of the yet-less-familiar creatures they stalk and eat. Interesting that all of these are predators, no?

Yet another free-associateve gallop?




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