Mirror recognition (or usage) took a while for my dog to learn. She seems perplexed by the fact humans and dogs look different. While I don’t know she is looking at herself, she seems to understand the difference between me in a mirror and me right in front of her. She no longer thinks it is another dog.
From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin Sent: Monday, July 15, 2024 1:17 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Does Dusty Love Dave, and VV. On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 10:54 AM Nicholas Thompson <thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > wrote: Here is an example If you play a dog's bark back to him, does he respond as if it's the bark of an intruder? If not, that suggest some sort of self recognition mechanism, given that the bark I give sounds a heluva lot different from the bark I would hear if if I were the hearer of my own bark. Nick Dog recognizing its own bark may be close to the self-recognition in mirror test which dogs and cats fail (and some humans). Dogs do recognize their own odor in many tests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test +-----------------+---------------------------+ | Species | Mirror Self-Recognition | +-----------------+---------------------------+ | Infants | Yes (18-24 months) | | Monkeys | No | | Chimps | Yes (2-3 years) | | Dolphins | Yes (2-3 years) | | Democrats | Yes (18-24 months) | | Elephants | Yes (2-3 years) | | Magpies | Yes | | Republicans | Mixed | | Gorillas | Mixed | | Orangutans | Yes | | Pigeons | Mixed | | Octopi | No | | Dogs | No | | Cats | No | +-----------------+---------------------------+ Amsterdam, B. (1972). Mirror self-image reactions before age two. Developmental Psychobiology, 5(4), 297–305. https://doi.org/10.1002/dev.420050403. https://redfish.com/papers/Amsterdam-1972-Mirrorself-imagereactionsbeforeagetwo.pdf EGallup, G. G. (1970). "Chimpanzees: Self-recognition." Science, 167(3914), 86-87. https://sci-hub.se/10.1126/science.167.3914.8 <https://sci-hub.se/10.1126/science.167.3914.86> Reiss, D., & Marino, L. (2001). "Mirror self-recognition in the bottlenose dolphin: A case of cognitive convergence." Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 98(10), 5937-5942. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.101086398 <https://www.pnas.org/content/98/10/593> Plotnik, J. M., de Waal, F. B., & Reiss, D. (2006). "Self-recognition in an Asian elephant." Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 103(45), 17053-17057. https://www.pnas.org/content/103/45/17053 FWIW, I don't consider self-awareness necessary for consciousness - though it is an interesting topic to me like theory-of-mind. -Stephen
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