We can just use the common-sense notion of existence. Given alternative theories of reality, one in which consciousness is all that exists, and one in which consciousness arises from a more fundamental ontology (matter/energy), are you saying it's possible to prove that one of those is true?
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 10:50 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > @Terren. I repeat: Define "to exist"! Otherwise, what are we even talking > about ? Mumbo-jumbo ? > > On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 17:47:49 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: > >> I'm not asking you to prove that nothing besides consciousness exists. >> I'm waiting for you to admit that such a proof is impossible. >> >> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 10:42 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> @Terren. Prove what if we didn't even define our terms ? Define "to >>> exist" and then ask me to prove that nothing else besides consciousness >>> exists! >>> >>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>> >>>> I'm the one that raised this line of questioning about metaphysics and >>>> proof, because you said you admit everything, and I'm challenging that. You >>>> are changing the subject. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 9:39 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> @Terren. Why do you avoid the question ? I asked you a simple >>>>> question: Define "to exist"! Otherwise, what are we even talking about ? >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 16:27:06 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you're not aware of what you can and cannot prove, your logic is >>>>>> going to be flawed, or worse, you will sound like a religious nut. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 9:19 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> @Terren. Is not a matter of proving. Is a matter of you becoming >>>>>>> conscious of consciousness. Is a matter of you properly understanding >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> the concepts involved mean. For example, in your understanding, what >>>>>>> does >>>>>>> "to exist" mean ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 16:17:57 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Believe it or not, I'm sympathetic to that kind of theory of >>>>>>>> reality. It's not far from what I personally believe. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But at the end of the day, you cannot prove it. Can you admit that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 9:13 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Terren. You don't understand what you are. You are God. Once you >>>>>>>>> understand why you are God, you also understand why only you exists. >>>>>>>>> It has >>>>>>>>> to do with what "to exist" means. "To exists" means to have >>>>>>>>> form/meaning/quality. As such, only qualia exist, because "qualia" is >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>> a synonymous for "existence". And qualia are the way in which you as >>>>>>>>> God >>>>>>>>> understand yourself. That's what reality is: is the process through >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> God knows itself. As such, there can be nothing else. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 16:06:45 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I exist, consciousness exists. There's no question about that, >>>>>>>>>> for me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What is unprovable is the claim "nothing else exists except >>>>>>>>>> consciousness". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 8:08 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @Terren. So you're not sure if you exist ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 03:07:17 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The claim that "consciousness is all that exists" is >>>>>>>>>>>> metaphysics. You cannot prove that, but that doesn't stop you from >>>>>>>>>>>> saying >>>>>>>>>>>> things like "energy doesn't exist" as if it were a fact. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The ultimate nature of reality is a mystery. I don't put much >>>>>>>>>>>> stock in people who speak in certainties about such things. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 3:08 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything >>>>>>>>>>>> List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> @Terren. What metaphysics ? Your existence is metaphysics ? Or >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a matter of obvious fact ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 19:18:21 UTC+2 Terren Suydam >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove that you admit everything. Admit that your assertion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that *consciousness is all that exists* is metaphysical - it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot be proved. The same is true of the claim that matter and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all that exists. Both are metaphysical statements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 12:08 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything >>>>>>>>>>>>>> List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always admit everything. It seems to you that I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I keep saying "Consciousness is all there is". While >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that sentence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is true, so while that proves with 100% certainty that there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no matter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it still doesn't give the full details of consciousness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 18:21:13 UTC+2 Terren Suydam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that's the first time you've ever admitted you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't understand something fully. I recommend you keep going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 11:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also said: "if we were to understand consciousness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, then we will know for sure what to expect after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> death." As of today, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't understand consciousness fully. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 16:54:49 UTC+2 Terren Suydam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you said this: "And in case we would expect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness, then we will even stop finding any cure for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancer. We will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> celebrate cancer." So instead of celebrating cancer, why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not skip the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> painful parts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 3:29:59 PM UTC-5 Cosmin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did I say that the next life will be better ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 22:09:01 UTC+2 Terren >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suydam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Serious question - what's stopping you from killing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself and speeding up the transition to happiness? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 3:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm millionaire, why would I need a job ? Also, if we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were to understand consciousness fully, then we will know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for sure what to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expect after death. And in case we would expect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness, then we will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even stop finding any cure for cancer. We will celebrate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancer. All of our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current decisions are made based on incomplete knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the truth. As >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such, we make the decisions based on what we imagine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality to be, not on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what it actually is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:37:03 UTC+2 Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 12:30:07 PM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends what kind of person you are. If you are a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depressed person, curing you of cancer will not do any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good. On the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrary, if you would have died you would havd gotten a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chance at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness in the next life. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *You have to be right. Stop your BS, assuming you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know more than you actually do, or get a job, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jerkoff, but no more of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your stupidity. AG * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:06:51 UTC+2 Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just opened a topic a while back about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition of the word "useful" that you keep abusing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's remind you: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Useful = whatever increases happiness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Useless = whatever doesn't increase happiness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My philosophy, I guarantee you 100%, increases >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness, so is useful. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting cured of cancer might still let you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depressed, so cancer cure is useless. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *You can't be very conscious and make such a hugely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid comment. Don't ya think that being cured of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancer is immensely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happier than succumbing to it? AG* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 19:59:29 UTC+2 Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 9:53:59 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you expect you can properly fix a car if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know how it function ? You just do guesswork, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give it a few kicks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and maybe it starts. This is how present-day science >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works given that it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't work based on fundamentals, namely based on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness. Sure, you can keep doing research this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way: kick it till it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works. And you might save a few lives. But if you were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fundamentals, then you would know exactly what you were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing and you will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> save 8 billion lives. Not that it would matter at that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, given that at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that level of development we will manipulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness to such a degree >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we will not even need bodies anymore. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *About 60 years ago I met a fellow with your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy, a Master of Yoga, an adept at "Traditional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science", author of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several books, who claimed with great authority that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem of cancer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had been "solved". He never got cancer but died of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart failure around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 80 in 2008. AG* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *My point is that people with your philosophy often >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make huge claims, with rarely anything practical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forthcoming. For example, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the Covid pandemic, a company named Moderna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produced a vaccine in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> record time, using knowledge of DNA, viruses, etc. They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't have done >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that without the discovery of DNA, which no doubt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required by the invention >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the Electron Microscope. Talk is cheap. We can do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great things in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absence of your vague philosophy. Can you actually DO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something useful, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is it all talk? AG * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:17:26 UTC+2 Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:11:38 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Alan. You can do cancer research. But since that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research is not based on fundamental ideas about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality, it will be just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesswork: Just try 1000 different drugs and cross >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fingers that one might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work. Instead, if people would actually understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness, they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would cure cancer in 1 week. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I might believe that if you were able to contribute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ANYTHING to ANY problem discussed here. All I read are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grandiose claims >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with nothing practical forthcoming. AG* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:08:48 UTC+2 Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can continue cancer research. But is just like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> playing World of Warcraft in order to get the legendary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *If you get cancer, which is not my wish, you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell your doctor that the pain and suffering is purely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imaginary, not to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention the possible early termination of your life. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, do us all a favor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cease posting like a fool. AG * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 John >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clark wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *You didn't answer my question. Should cancer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research be stopped, and if not why not? * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 9:35 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You make the classical confusion between epistemology >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ontology. Only because you can watch a movie with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spider-Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (epistemology), it doesn't follow that Spider-Man exists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (ontology). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 15:39:31 UTC+2 John >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clark wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 8:04 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *>>the question of list moderation would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevant at this time if one very recent list member >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't think page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after page of nothing but "(:>)" characters was an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligent rebuttal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ALL scientific questions of the form "what is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nature of X?" can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered by simply saying "X does not exist".* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *> Of course, given that consciousness is all there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is. Why would you waste time talking about things that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't exist ?* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *So there's no point in doing cancer research because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancer does not exist? 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