🙄 On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 7:19 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> @Terren. What thing ? > > On Tuesday, 7 January 2025 at 00:33:55 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: > >> I would venture that the common sense notion of existence means that a >> thing that exists has been instantiated. >> >> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 5:14 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> @Terren. What is the common-sense notion of existence ? >>> >>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 20:00:52 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>> >>>> We can just use the common-sense notion of existence. Given alternative >>>> theories of reality, one in which consciousness is all that exists, and one >>>> in which consciousness arises from a more fundamental ontology >>>> (matter/energy), are you saying it's possible to prove that one of those is >>>> true? >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 10:50 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> @Terren. I repeat: Define "to exist"! Otherwise, what are we even >>>>> talking about ? Mumbo-jumbo ? >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 17:47:49 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not asking you to prove that nothing besides consciousness >>>>>> exists. I'm waiting for you to admit that such a proof is impossible. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 10:42 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> @Terren. Prove what if we didn't even define our terms ? Define "to >>>>>>> exist" and then ask me to prove that nothing else besides consciousness >>>>>>> exists! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm the one that raised this line of questioning about metaphysics >>>>>>>> and proof, because you said you admit everything, and I'm challenging >>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>> You are changing the subject. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 9:39 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Terren. Why do you avoid the question ? I asked you a simple >>>>>>>>> question: Define "to exist"! Otherwise, what are we even talking >>>>>>>>> about ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 16:27:06 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you're not aware of what you can and cannot prove, your logic >>>>>>>>>> is going to be flawed, or worse, you will sound like a religious nut. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 9:19 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> @Terren. Is not a matter of proving. Is a matter of you becoming >>>>>>>>>>> conscious of consciousness. Is a matter of you properly >>>>>>>>>>> understanding what >>>>>>>>>>> the concepts involved mean. For example, in your understanding, >>>>>>>>>>> what does >>>>>>>>>>> "to exist" mean ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 16:17:57 UTC+2 Terren Suydam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Believe it or not, I'm sympathetic to that kind of theory of >>>>>>>>>>>> reality. It's not far from what I personally believe. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But at the end of the day, you cannot prove it. Can you admit >>>>>>>>>>>> that? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 9:13 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything >>>>>>>>>>>> List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> @Terren. You don't understand what you are. You are God. Once >>>>>>>>>>>>> you understand why you are God, you also understand why only you >>>>>>>>>>>>> exists. It >>>>>>>>>>>>> has to do with what "to exist" means. "To exists" means to have >>>>>>>>>>>>> form/meaning/quality. As such, only qualia exist, because >>>>>>>>>>>>> "qualia" is just >>>>>>>>>>>>> a synonymous for "existence". And qualia are the way in which you >>>>>>>>>>>>> as God >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand yourself. That's what reality is: is the process >>>>>>>>>>>>> through which >>>>>>>>>>>>> God knows itself. As such, there can be nothing else. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 16:06:45 UTC+2 Terren Suydam >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I exist, consciousness exists. There's no question about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, for me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is unprovable is the claim "nothing else exists except >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness". >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 8:08 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything >>>>>>>>>>>>>> List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Terren. So you're not sure if you exist ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 6 January 2025 at 03:07:17 UTC+2 Terren Suydam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The claim that "consciousness is all that exists" is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metaphysics. You cannot prove that, but that doesn't stop you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from saying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things like "energy doesn't exist" as if it were a fact. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ultimate nature of reality is a mystery. I don't put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much stock in people who speak in certainties about such >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 3:08 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Terren. What metaphysics ? Your existence is metaphysics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? Or is a matter of obvious fact ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 19:18:21 UTC+2 Terren Suydam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove that you admit everything. Admit that your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assertion that *consciousness is all that exists* is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metaphysical - it cannot be proved. The same is true of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter and energy are all that exists. Both are metaphysical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 12:08 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always admit everything. It seems to you that I don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I keep saying "Consciousness is all there is". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While that sentence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is true, so while that proves with 100% certainty that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is no matter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it still doesn't give the full details of consciousness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 18:21:13 UTC+2 Terren >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suydam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that's the first time you've ever admitted you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't understand something fully. I recommend you keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going in that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2025 at 11:05 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also said: "if we were to understand consciousness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully, then we will know for sure what to expect after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> death." As of today, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we don't understand consciousness fully. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 5 January 2025 at 16:54:49 UTC+2 Terren >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suydam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you said this: "And in case we would expect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness, then we will even stop finding any cure for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cancer. We will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> celebrate cancer." So instead of celebrating cancer, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not skip the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> painful parts? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 3:29:59 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did I say that the next life will be better ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 22:09:01 UTC+2 Terren >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suydam wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Serious question - what's stopping you from killing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself and speeding up the transition to happiness? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 3:04 PM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm millionaire, why would I need a job ? Also, if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we were to understand consciousness fully, then we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will know for sure what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to expect after death. And in case we would expect >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness, then we will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even stop finding any cure for cancer. We will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> celebrate cancer. All of our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current decisions are made based on incomplete >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge of the truth. As >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such, we make the decisions based on what we imagine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality to be, not on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what it actually is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:37:03 UTC+2 Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 12:30:07 PM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It depends what kind of person you are. If you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a depressed person, curing you of cancer will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not do any good. On the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrary, if you would have died you would havd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten a chance at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness in the next life. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *You have to be right. Stop your BS, assuming you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know more than you actually do, or get a job, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jerkoff, but no more of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your stupidity. AG * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 21:06:51 UTC+2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just opened a topic a while back about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definition of the word "useful" that you keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abusing. Let's remind you: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Useful = whatever increases happiness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Useless = whatever doesn't increase happiness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My philosophy, I guarantee you 100%, increases >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happiness, so is useful. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Getting cured of cancer might still let you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depressed, so cancer cure is useless. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *You can't be very conscious and make such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hugely stupid comment. Don't ya think that being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cured of cancer is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immensely happier than succumbing to it? AG* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 19:59:29 UTC+2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 10:44:42 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 9:53:59 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you expect you can properly fix a car if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you don't know how it function ? You just do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesswork, you give it a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kicks and maybe it starts. This is how present-day >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science works given that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't work based on fundamentals, namely based >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the working of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness. Sure, you can keep doing research >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this way: kick it till it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works. And you might save a few lives. But if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were start from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fundamentals, then you would know exactly what you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were doing and you will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> save 8 billion lives. Not that it would matter at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that point, given that at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that level of development we will manipulate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness to such a degree >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we will not even need bodies anymore. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *About 60 years ago I met a fellow with your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy, a Master of Yoga, an adept at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Traditional Science", author of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several books, who claimed with great authority that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem of cancer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had been "solved". He never got cancer but died of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart failure around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> age 80 in 2008. AG* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *My point is that people with your philosophy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often make huge claims, with rarely anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical forthcoming. For >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example, during the Covid pandemic, a company named >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moderna produced a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccine in record time, using knowledge of DNA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viruses, etc. They couldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have done that without the discovery of DNA, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no doubt required by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> invention of the Electron Microscope. Talk is cheap. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We can do great things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the absence of your vague philosophy. Can you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually DO something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> useful, or is it all talk? AG * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:17:26 UTC+2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:11:38 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Alan. You can do cancer research. But since that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research is not based on fundamental ideas about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reality, it will be just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guesswork: Just try 1000 different drugs and cross >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fingers that one might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work. Instead, if people would actually understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness, they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would cure cancer in 1 week. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I might believe that if you were able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute ANYTHING to ANY problem discussed here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I read are grandiose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claims with nothing practical forthcoming. AG* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 17:08:48 UTC+2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 4, 2025 at 8:01:18 AM UTC-7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cosmin Visan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can continue cancer research. But is just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like playing World of Warcraft in order to get the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legendary gear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *If you get cancer, which is not my wish, you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell your doctor that the pain and suffering is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purely imaginary, not to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention the possible early termination of your life. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, do us all a favor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cease posting like a fool. AG * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 16:48:23 UTC+2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Clark wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *You didn't answer my question. Should cancer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research be stopped, and if not why not? * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 9:35 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You make the classical confusion between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> epistemology and ontology. Only because you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> watch a movie with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spider-Man (epistemology), it doesn't follow that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spider-Man exists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (ontology). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, 4 January 2025 at 15:39:31 UTC+2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Clark wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2025 at 8:04 AM 'Cosmin Visan' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything List <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *>>the question of list moderation would not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relevant at this time if one very recent list member >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't think page >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after page of nothing but "(:>)" characters was an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intelligent rebuttal, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and ALL scientific questions of the form "what is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the nature of X?" can be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answered by simply saying "X does not exist".* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *> Of course, given that consciousness is all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is. Why would you waste time talking about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things that don't exist ?* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *So there's no point in doing cancer research >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because cancer does not exist? 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