We discovered a regression in a specific Kafka Streams API. I filed a ticket here: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18917 and a fix here: https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/19089. The fix is small, I would suggest we include this fix in 4.0.
On Tue, Mar 4, 2025 at 12:19 PM David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> wrote: > > During testing RC0, we found a small bug in the regular expression > resolution with KIP-848: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18916. > > The fix is really small so I propose to get it in 4.0. The user experience > without it would be bad. > > Best, > David > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 9:32 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote: > > > During testing RC0, Bruno found that Kafka Streams examples require Java > > 17 right now, while Kafka Streams itself still supports Java 11. > > > > I opened a PR to fix this: https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/19052 > > > > We hope it can be considered for 4.0 release. > > > > > > -Matthias > > > > On 2/20/25 11:23 PM, David Jacot wrote: > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > > > Please go ahead and merge it to 4.0. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > David > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 6:25 PM Andrew Schofield < > > > andrew_schofield_j...@outlook.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi David, > > >> I have a small fix that I'd like to back-port to 4.0 for the KIP-932 > > >> consumer (https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/18964). > > >> It changes just the KafkaShareConsumer.java so there's no impact on > > other > > >> components. > > >> > > >> Without this, one of the examples in KIP-932 will not work correctly if > > >> the topic is initially empty. Seems worth fixing > > >> for tire-kickers using the KIP-932 early access in 4.0. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Andrew > > >> > > >> ________________________________________ > > >> From: Chia-Ping Tsai <chia7...@apache.org> > > >> Sent: 19 February 2025 16:12 > > >> To: dev@kafka.apache.org <dev@kafka.apache.org> > > >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Kafka 4.0.0 release > > >> > > >> hi David, > > >> > > >> I've filed a new blocker (KAFKA-18831) to address the Log4j 2 behavior > > >> changes. We've identified the root cause and are preparing a PR, so it > > >> should be fixed this week. > > >> > > >> Best, > > >> Chia-Ping > > >> > > >> On 2025/01/23 07:15:45 Chia-Ping Tsai wrote: > > >>> hi David > > >>> > > >>> Could you please take a look at > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18627? This JIRA ticket > > >> introduces a new system environment variable and (possibly) deprecates > > the > > >> old one. Is it appropriate to include this change in 4.0? > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Chia-Ping > > >>> > > >>> On 2025/01/20 11:55:24 David Jacot wrote: > > >>>> Hi all, > > >>>> > > >>>> We are now past the code freeze. We have still a few blockers attached > > >>>> to 4.0. I will review those to ensure that they are real blockers. > > >>>> Please raise any new blockers in this thread. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks, > > >>>> David > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 8:24 AM David Jacot <david.ja...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hi Matthias, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks for catching that! I fixed the release plan as you suggested. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Best, > > >>>>> David > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 3:46 AM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I think KIP-1087 is actually "done". > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The linked Jira ticket might just be wrong. The KIP proposes to > > >>>>>> deprecate `--intermediate-topic` options in AK 4.0, and we did add > > >> a > > >>>>>> WARN log for it via: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> - > > >>>>>> > > >> > > https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/05696037d330e5e355d62cb1b977bac9df78db82 > > >>>>>> - > > >>>>>> > > >> > > https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/a9eb06bbdf9b3d14736223edc1e3650677e2fe6d > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The linked open Jira of the KIP is actually to *remove* the option > > >> and > > >>>>>> it is of course for 5.0. For KIPs we usually call them "done" when > > >> the > > >>>>>> deprecation ships, not after we finally remove something. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Should we link https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-12823 > > >> for the > > >>>>>> KIP instead, as the code for the warn log was merged with this > > >> ticket? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -Matthias > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 12/18/24 5:06 AM, David Jacot wrote: > > >>>>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> As we are past the feature freeze, I have updated the release > > >> plan [1] > > >>>>>>> and moved the non-ready KIPs to the postpones section. I have > > >> kept > > >>>>>>> KIP-1030, KIP-996, KIP-966, KIP-896 and KIP-724 for now in the > > >> planned > > >>>>>>> KIPs. Those KIPs are either minor or have exceptions. Please > > >> take a > > >>>>>>> look at the plan and let me know if I missed anything. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> [1] > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 12:50 PM Divij Vaidya < > > >> divijvaidy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Hey David > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> About KIP 1030 [1], we have 4 PRs open. They are stuck at > > >> flaky/failing > > >>>>>>>> tests which the author is fixing. We will target to merge them > > >> this week. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> [1] > > >>>>>>>> > > >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 9:25 AM David Jacot > > >> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Chia-Ping, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Regarding KAFKA-18225, I agree that it is an issue that we > > >> must fix in 4.0. > > >>>>>>>>> I see that Colin's already commented in the Jira about the > > >> suggested way > > >>>>>>>>> forward. I agree with the proposal. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 6:22 PM Chia-Ping Tsai < > > >> chia7...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> hi DJ > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I have merged the PR ( > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >> > > https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/b37b89c6686f5270b37d39cf3144bccb4f5bceb2 > > >>>>>>>>>> ) > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> will keep testing the related e2e > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> 於 2024年12月13日 週五 > > >> 下午3:53寫道： > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mickael/Chia-Ping, > > >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding KIP-653: Upgrade log4j to log4j2, would it be > > >> possible to > > >>>>>>>>>> already > > >>>>>>>>>>> merge the change while continuing to work on the system > > >> tests? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Calvin, > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for letting me know. Those patches seem reasonably > > >> small. > > >>>>>>>>> Hence, I > > >>>>>>>>>>> have fine with merging them after the feature freeze but > > >> before the > > >>>>>>>>> code > > >>>>>>>>>>> freeze. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chia-Ping, > > >>>>>>>>>>> Let me take a look at KAFKA-18225. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 12:31 AM Chia-Ping Tsai < > > >> chia7...@apache.org> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> hi David > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I have opened a blocker KAFKA-18225 to address an > > >> unsupported public > > >>>>>>>>>> API > > >>>>>>>>>>>> in KRaft mode. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Could you please review it to determine if a quick KIP is > > >> necessary? > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024/12/11 08:45:54 David Jacot wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Happy feature freeze day! Please remember that the big > > >> chunks of > > >>>>>>>>> your > > >>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> must be merged by today. In practice, I plan to cut the > > >> release > > >>>>>>>>>> branch > > >>>>>>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday so you have a few more days. If you cannot make it, > > >> please > > >>>>>>>>>>>> reachout > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to me to discuss how to proceed. I will go and remove the > > >> KIPs > > >>>>>>>>> which > > >>>>>>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> not ready from the release plan on Monday too. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alyssa/Colin: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reaching out to me about KIP-966. It seems to > > >> me that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2 is a pretty > > >> large change > > >>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> after > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the feature freeze. How do you quantify the risk? Do we > > >> have a way > > >>>>>>>>>> back > > >>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> case we cannot make it or if we discover issues? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew/Divij: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good catch! I also stumbled upon it yesterday. Let's wait > > >> for > > >>>>>>>>> Ismael. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 7:56 PM Colin McCabe < > > >> cmcc...@apache.org> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024, at 11:33, Alyssa Huang wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey David and folks, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to discuss the possibility of merging in KIP-996 > > >>>>>>>>>> (PreVote) > > >>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> two > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phases in order to make the 4.0 release. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part 1 <https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17807> > > >> (Vote RPC > > >>>>>>>>>>>> includes > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PreVote field) by feature freeze > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part 2 <https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2> (new > > >>>>>>>>> internal > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prospective > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> QuorumState and response handling) by code freeze > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alyssa > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 frorm me. What do you think David? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 1:51 AM Andrew Schofield < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> andrew_schofield_j...@outlook.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have added KIP-1043. With the exception of one method > > >>>>>>>>>>> deprecation > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I intend to do in 4.1, it's done. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2024 19:45 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@kafka.apache.org <dev@kafka.apache.org> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Kafka 4.0.0 release > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for patiently waiting for KIP-1030 [1]. It is > > >> now > > >>>>>>>>>>> accepted > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have updated the release plan with the KIP. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:37 AM TengYao Chi < > > >>>>>>>>>> kiting...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello David, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve just added KIP-653, which aims to upgrade Log4j to > > >>>>>>>>>> Log4j2. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP was accepted a long time ago, and the PR is > > >> now > > >>>>>>>>>> almost > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ready. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m currently working on it. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TengYao > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> 於 > > >> 2024年11月26日 週二 > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 下午4:23寫道： > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Luke! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:16 AM Luke Chen < > > >>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for checking the KIPs. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just added KIP-1011 that Ziming mentioned above > > >>>>>>>>> into > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and confirmed it is already in accepted status. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:10 PM David Jacot < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just checked the release plan and it does not > > >>>>>>>>> contain > > >>>>>>>>>>> any > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-accepted KIPs. I added a few other accepted KIPs > > >>>>>>>>>> too. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The feature freeze is on Dec. 11th. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:38 AM David Jacot < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi PoAn/Ziming, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding those to the release plan! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:25 AM Ziming Deng < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dengziming1...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for driving the release, let’s add KIP-1011 > > >>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which should have beed released in 3.7.0, after > > >>>>>>>>> postpone > > >>>>>>>>>>>> doing > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly remove deprecated alterConfigs from > > >>>>>>>>>> ConfgCommand > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our code dirty. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ziming > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2024, at 18:04, David Jacot > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.INVALID > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that the KIP freeze > > >>>>>>>>>>>> deadline > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a few KIPs getting close to be accepted, I > > >>>>>>>>>> will > > >>>>>>>>>>>> wait > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compile the final list. Please update the status > > >>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> your > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next deadline is the Features freeze on Dec > > >>>>>>>>>>> 11th. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 12:02 PM David Jacot < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dja...@confluent.io> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that we can make a small exception for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1030 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot wait > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long. How long do you need to close it? > > >>>>>>>>>>> Ideally, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aim > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closing it in the next two weeks. If we cannot > > >>>>>>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>>>>> it, we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> may > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss it again. Please keep me posted. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BR, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:16 AM Luke Chen < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tina, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-1073 into the release plan. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:26 AM Gantigmaa > > >>>>>>>>>> Selenge > > >>>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073 I mentioned in my previous email has > > >>>>>>>>>> now > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting so > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not need an exceptional extension > > >>>>>>>>> anymore. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Can we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release plan? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 3:04 PM Gantigmaa > > >>>>>>>>>>> Selenge < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I also please request an exceptional > > >>>>>>>>>>>> extension for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows getting fenced brokers via > > >>>>>>>>> AdminClient. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> This is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important when scaling down a KRaft cluster, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> because > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brokers > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unregistered first but currently there is no > > >>>>>>>>>> way > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brokers > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to unregister once they are shut > > >>>>>>>>>>>> down/fenced. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP has been open for voting for over a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> month and > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently 2 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding +1 and 1 non binding +1 [2]. I also > > >>>>>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> raised a > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PR for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation [3]. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since it's missing just one more binding +1 > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready for review, it would be great to > > >>>>>>>>> include > > >>>>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1073%3A+Return+fenced+brokers+in+DescribeCluster+response > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/zm5kk9st54rj6t5pw9v1dnxhk64mho4m > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] > > >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17524 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 12:14 PM Luke Chen < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we _should_ include it into v4.0.0 > > >>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>> make > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kafka > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more reasonable, instead of doing it until > > >>>>>>>>>>>> v5.0.0. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think, @David Jacot < > > >>>>>>>>>>>> dja...@confluent.io> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 7:01 PM Divij > > >>>>>>>>> Vaidya > > >>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I please request an exceptional > > >>>>>>>>>> extension > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1030 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to change configuration defaults and add > > >>>>>>>>>> some > > >>>>>>>>>>>> new > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constraints > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration? Since these are backward > > >>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out in 4.0, the earliest we could > > >>>>>>>>> release > > >>>>>>>>>>>> them > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand that the KIP was filed last > > >>>>>>>>>>> minute > > >>>>>>>>>>>> very > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> close > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the benefit to operational load of > > >>>>>>>>>> Kafka > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this KIP > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have, I would request to consider this KIP > > >>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 3:13 PM David > > >>>>>>>>> Jacot > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that the KIP > > >>>>>>>>>>>> freeze is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20th > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> November > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one week from today. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 5:09 AM Luke Chen > > >>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kamal, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just added them in to the release plan. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 11:11 AM Kamal > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandraprakash > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kamal.chandraprak...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please add the KIP-1058 and KIP-1105 to > > >>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1058 is accepted and PRs are ready. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1105 is a minor one, and will open > > >>>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> voting > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 7:28 AM Luke > > >>>>>>>>> Chen > > >>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alyssa, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-966 into the release > > >>>>>>>>>> plan. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 3:54 AM Alyssa > > >>>>>>>>>>> Huang > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahu...@confluent.io.invalid > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for being the release > > >>>>>>>>>>> manager > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed the release plan > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet have KIP-996 (Pre-Vote) > > >>>>>>>>> listed, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> can I > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> edit > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alyssa > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 11:36 AM > > >>>>>>>>> Colin > > >>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi TengYao Chi, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The KIP freeze for Apache Kafka 4.0 > > >>>>>>>>>> is. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> November > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20th. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been accepted already, it should > > >>>>>>>>> make > > >>>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>> into > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion (assuming the code is > > >>>>>>>>> ready > > >>>>>>>>>>> by > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024, at 20:32, > > >>>>>>>>>> TengYao > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chi > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to request the > > >>>>>>>>> inclusion > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP is newly accepted, and I > > >>>>>>>>>>>> believe it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valuable > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhancements for both the Consumer > > >>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Kafka > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Streams > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for considering this > > >>>>>>>>>>> addition. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TengYao > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org> > > >>>>>>>>> 於 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024年10月11日 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 週五 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 上午12:22寫道： > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes (although I don't believe > > >>>>>>>>>> there's > > >>>>>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> JIRA > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, at 09:11, > > >>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Colin, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. That seems perfect. Does > > >>>>>>>>> it > > >>>>>>>>>>>> include > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --zookeeper > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line tools (e.g. > > >>>>>>>>>>>> kafka-configs)? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06 PM > > >>>>>>>>>> Colin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have been using > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-17611 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the umbrella JIRA for ZK removal > > >>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Progress > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rapid, I > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do think we will get there by > > >>>>>>>>>>> January. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Well > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopefully > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, at 05:55, > > >>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good point. I think > > >>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dates > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. In my opinion, we > > >>>>>>>>> should > > >>>>>>>>>>>> ensure > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZK > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing apis are gone in 4.0 by > > >>>>>>>>>> code > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplest > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an epic for the removal > > >>>>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>>>>> all the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it as a blocker for 4.0. We may > > >>>>>>>>>>>> already > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 2:43 PM > > >>>>>>>>>>> Luke > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chen < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The release plan looks good to > > >>>>>>>>>> me. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But since the 4.0 release is a > > >>>>>>>>>>>> release > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZK, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some release > > >>>>>>>>>> criteria > > >>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Problem I can imagine is > > >>>>>>>>>> like, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> when > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there are still many ZK > > >>>>>>>>>>> removal > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them? We can remove the rest > > >>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>> codes in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still some public APIs related > > >>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>> ZK > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> open > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK to release 4.0? Ex: The > > >>>>>>>>>>>> `--zookeeper` > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kafka-configs.sh? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of only using > > >>>>>>>>> time-based > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> management > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v4.0, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some "must-do" > > >>>>>>>>> tasks > > >>>>>>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> track > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches. And we can discuss > > >>>>>>>>>>> with > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. Does that make sense? > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 9:29 PM > > >>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have drafted the release > > >>>>>>>>> plan > > >>>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kafka > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look and let me > > >>>>>>>>>>> know > > >>>>>>>>>>>> what > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also appreciate it if > > >>>>>>>>>> you > > >>>>>>>>>>>> could > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will ship in this release. I > > >>>>>>>>>> took > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki but I am pretty sure > > >>>>>>>>> that > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list is > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Davud > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at > > >>>>>>>>> 5:02 AM > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chen > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 from me. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since v4.0 will be a huge > > >>>>>>>>>> change > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person (vice release > > >>>>>>>>> manager?) > > >>>>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help on > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releasing > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, I'm willing to help. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at > > >>>>>>>>>> 1:33 AM > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1. Thanks, David. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, at > > >>>>>>>>>> 10:11, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egerton > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David! +1 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, > > >>>>>>>>> 13:07 > > >>>>>>>>>>> José > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armando > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> García > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sancio > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> <jsan...@confluent.io.invalid > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks for > > >>>>>>>>> volunteering > > >>>>>>>>>>>> David! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 11:56 AM > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mum...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks David! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 11:48 AM > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satish > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duggana < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satish.dugg...@gmail.com > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for > > >>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Sept 2024 at > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 19:27, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lianet > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liane...@gmail.com> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 9:54 a.m. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justine > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olshan > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <jols...@confluent.io.invalid > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and thanks! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 > > >>>>>>>>> at > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6:36 AM > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tsai > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chia7...@gmail.com > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and thanks David > > >>>>>>>>>> for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josep Prat > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 於 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024年9月23日 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 週一 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 下午9:13寫道： > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering! > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > 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