Hi everyone,

We got a new blocker https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18690
Requires a small fix already on the way, and related only to the consumer
new regex subscription. There should be a small PR out early next week.

Best!
Lianet

On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 7:50 AM David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry, I was away for a few days. Thanks for all the blocker reports. They
> all look fine to me.
>
> Best,
> David
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 1:40 PM Chia-Ping Tsai <chia7...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > hi David,
> >
> > I opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18674 as a blocker
> > issue to enhance the documentation and include the incompatible change in
> > the bootstrap.servers parser.
> >
> > Best,
> > Chia-Ping
> >
> > On 2025/01/28 14:30:55 "Lianet M." wrote:
> > > Hello, quick update, there are 2 new blockers related to the new
> consumer
> > > threading model:
> > >
> > > - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18645 -> PR already
> > available
> > > in review
> > > - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18641 -> Expecting a PR
> > soon
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Lianet
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 6:55 PM Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just as an update, we found a new blocker related to ELR, and the PR
> to
> > > > fix it is under review.
> > > >
> > > >  https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18649
> > > >
> > > > best,
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, at 10:08, Greg Harris wrote:
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I just backported
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/KAFKA/issues/KAFKA-17792
> to
> > 4.0.
> > > > > It resolves an out-of-memory scenario for Connect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 9:33 AM Justine Olshan
> > > > <jols...@confluent.io.invalid>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hey folks,
> > > > >> I've found what I believe to be a performance regression that was
> > > > caused by
> > > > >> my last bugfix. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18654
> > > > >> I'm hoping to get a PR open today and get the benchmark tests to
> > verify
> > > > >> things are working as expected. I will keep this thread updated if
> > there
> > > > >> are any risks for KIP-890 for the release.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >> Justine
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 10:55 AM David Arthur <mum...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > David, I've filed a backport PR for KAFKA-17587 which
> reorganizes
> > some
> > > > >> test
> > > > >> > code. This will help reduce friction when backporting
> integration
> > test
> > > > >> > changes from trunk. The risk of this PR is very minimal since it
> > only
> > > > >> > affects test sources. Let me know what you think.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/18694
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > -David A
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 1:07 PM Justine Olshan
> > > > >> > <jols...@confluent.io.invalid>
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Hey Colin -- yes, we have a blocker to bump the stable
> metadata
> > > > >> versions
> > > > >> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18611. I can open
> > that
> > > > >> today
> > > > >> > > or
> > > > >> > > so.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Justine
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 9:55 AM Colin McCabe <
> > cmcc...@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > Hi David,
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > We have two blockers for ELR:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > - KAFKA-18635: Re-enable the unclean shutdown detection when
> > in
> > > > ELR
> > > > >> > mode
> > > > >> > > > - KAFKA-18634: Fix ELR metadata version issues
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > They're both pretty small and I think we can get them in in
> > the
> > > > next
> > > > >> > few
> > > > >> > > > days.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > Separately from that, is the intention to ship KIP-890 and
> > > > KIP-1075
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> > > > Apache Kafka 4.0? If so, we will need to mark IBP_4_0_IV2
> and
> > > > >> > IBP_4_0_IV3
> > > > >> > > > as stable metadata versions. If not, of course, we should
> bump
> > > > those
> > > > >> > > > metadata versions to 4.1.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > best,
> > > > >> > > > Colin
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, at 03:55, David Jacot wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > We are now past the code freeze. We have still a few
> > blockers
> > > > >> > attached
> > > > >> > > > > to 4.0. I will review those to ensure that they are real
> > > > blockers.
> > > > >> > > > > Please raise any new blockers in this thread.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >> > > > > David
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 8:24 AM David Jacot <
> > > > david.ja...@gmail.com
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> Hi Matthias,
> > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for catching that! I fixed the release plan as you
> > > > >> suggested.
> > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> David
> > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 3:46 AM Matthias J. Sax <
> > > > mj...@apache.org
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > I think KIP-1087 is actually "done".
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > The linked Jira ticket might just be wrong. The KIP
> > proposes
> > > > to
> > > > >> > > > >> > deprecate `--intermediate-topic` options in AK 4.0, and
> > we
> > > > did
> > > > >> > add a
> > > > >> > > > >> > WARN log for it via:
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> >   -
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/05696037d330e5e355d62cb1b977bac9df78db82
> > > > >> > > > >> >   -
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/a9eb06bbdf9b3d14736223edc1e3650677e2fe6d
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > The linked open Jira of the KIP is actually to *remove*
> > the
> > > > >> option
> > > > >> > > and
> > > > >> > > > >> > it is of course for 5.0. For KIPs we usually call them
> > "done"
> > > > >> when
> > > > >> > > the
> > > > >> > > > >> > deprecation ships, not after we finally remove
> something.
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > Should we link
> > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-12823
> > > > >> > > for
> > > > >> > > > the
> > > > >> > > > >> > KIP instead, as the code for the warn log was merged
> with
> > > > this
> > > > >> > > ticket?
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > -Matthias
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > On 12/18/24 5:06 AM, David Jacot wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > > Hi all,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > > As we are past the feature freeze, I have updated the
> > > > release
> > > > >> > plan
> > > > >> > > > [1]
> > > > >> > > > >> > > and moved the non-ready KIPs to the postpones
> section.
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > >> > kept
> > > > >> > > > >> > > KIP-1030, KIP-996, KIP-966, KIP-896 and KIP-724 for
> > now in
> > > > the
> > > > >> > > > planned
> > > > >> > > > >> > > KIPs. Those KIPs are either minor or have exceptions.
> > > > Please
> > > > >> > take
> > > > >> > > a
> > > > >> > > > >> > > look at the plan and let me know if I missed
> anything.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > > [1]
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0
> > > > >> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > > Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > > David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 12:50 PM Divij Vaidya <
> > > > >> > > > divijvaidy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> Hey David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> About KIP 1030 [1], we have 4 PRs open. They are
> > stuck at
> > > > >> > > > flaky/failing
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> tests which the author is fixing. We will target to
> > merge
> > > > >> them
> > > > >> > > > this week.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> [1]
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> --
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> Divij Vaidya
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 9:25 AM David Jacot
> > > > >> > > > <dja...@confluent.io.invalid>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> Hi Chia-Ping,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> Regarding KAFKA-18225, I agree that it is an issue
> > that
> > > > we
> > > > >> > must
> > > > >> > > > fix in 4.0.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> I see that Colin's already commented in the Jira
> > about
> > > > the
> > > > >> > > > suggested way
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> forward. I agree with the proposal.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> Thanks,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 6:22 PM Chia-Ping Tsai <
> > > > >> > > > chia7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> hi DJ
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> I have merged the PR (
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/b37b89c6686f5270b37d39cf3144bccb4f5bceb2
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> )
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> will keep testing the related e2e
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> Chia-Ping
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> 於
> > > > 2024年12月13日 週五
> > > > >> > > > 下午3:53寫道:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Hi Mickael/Chia-Ping,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Regarding KIP-653: Upgrade log4j to log4j2, would
> > it be
> > > > >> > > > possible to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> already
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> merge the change while continuing to work on the
> > system
> > > > >> > tests?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Hi Calvin,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Thanks for letting me know. Those patches seem
> > > > reasonably
> > > > >> > > small.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> Hence, I
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> have fine with merging them after the feature
> > freeze
> > > > but
> > > > >> > > before
> > > > >> > > > the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> code
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> freeze.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Hi Chia-Ping,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Let me take a look at KAFKA-18225.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 12:31 AM Chia-Ping Tsai <
> > > > >> > > > chia7...@apache.org>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> hi David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> I have opened a blocker KAFKA-18225 to address
> an
> > > > >> > unsupported
> > > > >> > > > public
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> API
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> in KRaft mode.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Could you please review it to determine if a
> quick
> > > > KIP is
> > > > >> > > > necessary?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> thanks,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Chia-Ping
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> On 2024/12/11 08:45:54 David Jacot wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Hi folks,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Happy feature freeze day! Please remember that
> > the
> > > > big
> > > > >> > > chunks
> > > > >> > > > of
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> your
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> KIPs
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> must be merged by today. In practice, I plan to
> > cut
> > > > the
> > > > >> > > > release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> branch
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> on
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Monday so you have a few more days. If you
> cannot
> > > > make
> > > > >> it,
> > > > >> > > > please
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> reachout
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> to me to discuss how to proceed. I will go and
> > remove
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > KIPs
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> which
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> are
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> not ready from the release plan on Monday too.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Alyssa/Colin:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Thanks for reaching out to me about KIP-966. It
> > > > seems to
> > > > >> > me
> > > > >> > > > that
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2 is a
> > pretty
> > > > >> > large
> > > > >> > > > change
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> after
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> the feature freeze. How do you quantify the
> > risk? Do
> > > > we
> > > > >> > have
> > > > >> > > > a way
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> back
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> case we cannot make it or if we discover
> issues?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Andrew/Divij:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Thanks!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Luke:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Good catch! I also stumbled upon it yesterday.
> > Let's
> > > > >> wait
> > > > >> > > for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> Ismael.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 7:56 PM Colin McCabe <
> > > > >> > > > cmcc...@apache.org>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024, at 11:33, Alyssa Huang
> > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Hey David and folks,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> I wanted to discuss the possibility of
> merging
> > in
> > > > >> > KIP-996
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> (PreVote)
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> two
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> phases in order to make the 4.0 release.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Part 1 <
> > https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17807
> > > > >
> > > > >> > (Vote
> > > > >> > > > RPC
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> includes
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> PreVote field) by feature freeze
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Part 2 <
> > https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2>
> > > > >> (new
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> internal
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Prospective
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> QuorumState and response handling) by code
> > freeze
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Alyssa
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> +1 frorm me. What do you think David?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Colin
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 1:51 AM Andrew
> > Schofield <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> andrew_schofield_j...@outlook.com> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> I have added KIP-1043. With the exception of
> > one
> > > > >> method
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> deprecation
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> which I intend to do in 4.1, it's done.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Andrew
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> From: Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2024 19:45
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> To: dev@kafka.apache.org <
> > dev@kafka.apache.org>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Kafka 4.0.0
> > release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Hey David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for patiently waiting for KIP-1030
> > [1].
> > > > It
> > > > >> is
> > > > >> > > now
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> accepted
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> and I
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> have updated the release plan with the KIP.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:37 AM TengYao Chi
> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> kiting...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hello David,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I’ve just added KIP-653, which aims to
> > upgrade
> > > > Log4j
> > > > >> > to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> Log4j2.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> This KIP was accepted a long time ago, and
> > the
> > > > PR is
> > > > >> > now
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> almost
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> ready.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I’m currently working on it.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> TengYao
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid>
> 於
> > > > >> > 2024年11月26日
> > > > >> > > > 週二
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 下午4:23寫道:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Luke!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:16 AM Luke Chen
> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> show...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for checking the KIPs.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just added KIP-1011 that Ziming
> > mentioned
> > > > >> above
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> into
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> plan,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and confirmed it is already in accepted
> > status.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:10 PM David
> > Jacot <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just checked the release plan and it
> > does
> > > > not
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> contain
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> any
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-accepted KIPs. I added a few other
> > > > accepted
> > > > >> > KIPs
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> too.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The feature freeze is on Dec. 11th.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:38 AM David
> > Jacot <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi PoAn/Ziming,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding those to the release
> > plan!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:25 AM Ziming
> > Deng <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> dengziming1...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for driving the release, let’s
> > add
> > > > >> > KIP-1011
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which should have beed released in
> 3.7.0,
> > > > after
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> postpone
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> doing
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> it
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> can
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly remove deprecated alterConfigs
> > from
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> ConfgCommand
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> avoid
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> making
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> our code dirty.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ziming
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2024, at 18:04, David
> Jacot
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.INVALID
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that the
> > KIP
> > > > >> freeze
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> deadline
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> is
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> today.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a few KIPs getting close to be
> > > > accepted,
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> will
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> wait
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> until
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compile the final list. Please update
> > the
> > > > >> status
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> of
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> your
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> KIPs.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next deadline is the Features
> > freeze on
> > > > >> Dec
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> 11th.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 12:02 PM
> David
> > > > Jacot <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> dja...@confluent.io>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that we can make a small
> > exception
> > > > >> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> KIP-1030
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> but
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot wait
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long. How long do you need to
> > close
> > > > it?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Ideally,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> should
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> aim
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closing it in the next two weeks. If
> > we
> > > > >> cannot
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> do
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> it, we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> may
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss it again. Please keep me
> > posted.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BR,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:16 AM Luke
> > Chen
> > > > <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tina,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-1073 into the
> release
> > > > plan.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:26 AM
> > Gantigmaa
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> Selenge
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073 I mentioned in my
> previous
> > > > email
> > > > >> has
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> now
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> passed
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting so
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not need an exceptional
> > extension
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> anymore.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Can we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> please
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> include
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release plan?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 3:04 PM
> > > > Gantigmaa
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Selenge <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I also please request an
> > > > exceptional
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> extension for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows getting fenced brokers via
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> AdminClient.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> This is
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important when scaling down a
> KRaft
> > > > >> cluster,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> because
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> brokers
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unregistered first but currently
> > there
> > > > is
> > > > >> no
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> way
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> list
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brokers
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to unregister once they are
> > shut
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> down/fenced.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP has been open for voting
> > for
> > > > >> over a
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> month and
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> has
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently 2
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding +1 and 1 non binding +1
> > [2]. I
> > > > >> also
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> have
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> raised a
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> draft
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PR for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation [3].
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since it's missing just one more
> > > > binding
> > > > >> +1
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> and
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation is
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready for review, it would be
> > great to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> include
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> it
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1073%3A+Return+fenced+brokers+in+DescribeCluster+response
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > >
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread/zm5kk9st54rj6t5pw9v1dnxhk64mho4m
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17524
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 12:14 PM
> > Luke
> > > > >> Chen <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we _should_ include it
> > into
> > > > >> v4.0.0
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> make
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> kafka
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> default
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more reasonable, instead of
> doing
> > it
> > > > >> until
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> v5.0.0.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think, @David Jacot
> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> dja...@confluent.io>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> ?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 7:01 PM
> > Divij
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> Vaidya
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> divijvaidy...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I please request an
> > exceptional
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> extension
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1030
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to change configuration
> defaults
> > and
> > > > add
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> some
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> new
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> constraints
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration? Since these are
> > > > backward
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> incompatible
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> changes,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out in 4.0, the earliest we
> > could
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> them
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> would
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> be
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand that the KIP was
> > filed
> > > > last
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> minute
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> very
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> close
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the benefit to
> operational
> > > > load of
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> Kafka
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> maintenance
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this KIP
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have, I would request to
> consider
> > > > this
> > > > >> KIP
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 4.0
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> even
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> after
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 3:13 PM
> > David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> Jacot
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder
> > that the
> > > > >> KIP
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> freeze is
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> on
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> 20th
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> November
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one week from today.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 5:09 AM
> > Luke
> > > > >> Chen
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kamal,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just added them in to the
> > release
> > > > >> plan.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at
> 11:11 AM
> > > > Kamal
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Chandraprakash
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> kamal.chandraprak...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please add the KIP-1058 and
> > > > KIP-1105
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> plan.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1058 is accepted and PRs
> > are
> > > > >> ready.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1105 is a minor one, and
> > will
> > > > >> open
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> a
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> voting
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> thread
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> soon.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at
> 7:28 AM
> > > > Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> Chen
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alyssa,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-966 into the
> > > > release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> plan.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at
> > 3:54 AM
> > > > >> Alyssa
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Huang
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahu...@confluent.io.invalid
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for being the
> > > > release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> manager
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> 4.0!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed the release plan
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet have KIP-996
> > (Pre-Vote)
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> listed,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> can I
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> edit
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alyssa
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at
> > 11:36 AM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> Colin
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> McCabe <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi TengYao Chi,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The KIP freeze for Apache
> > Kafka
> > > > >> 4.0
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> is.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> November
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 20th.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been accepted already, it
> > > > should
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> make
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> it
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> into
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> 4.0
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion (assuming the
> > code
> > > > is
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> ready
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> by
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> feature
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.)
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024, at
> > 20:32,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> TengYao
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Chi
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to request
> > the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> inclusion
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> of
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP is newly
> > accepted,
> > > > and I
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> believe it
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> will
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valuable
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhancements for both
> the
> > > > >> Consumer
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> and
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Kafka
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Streams
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for
> considering
> > this
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> addition.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TengYao
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin McCabe <
> > > > cmcc...@apache.org
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> 於
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> 2024年10月11日
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> 週五
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 上午12:22寫道:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes (although I don't
> > believe
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> there's
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> a
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> JIRA
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.)
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024,
> at
> > > > 09:11,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Jacot
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Colin,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. That seems
> > perfect.
> > > > >> Does
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> it
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> include
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --zookeeper
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line tools
> (e.g.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> kafka-configs)?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024
> at
> > > > 6:06 PM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> Colin
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> McCabe <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have been using
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-17611
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the umbrella JIRA for
> > ZK
> > > > >> removal
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> tasks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Progress
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rapid, I
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do think we will get
> > there
> > > > by
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> January.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> (Well
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopefully
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024,
> > at
> > > > >> 05:55,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Jacot
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good
> point. I
> > > > think
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> that
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> should
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dates
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. In my
> > opinion, we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> should
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> ensure
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> that
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> ZK
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing apis are gone
> > in
> > > > 4.0
> > > > >> by
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> code
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> freeze.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> The
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplest
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an epic for the
> > > > removal
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> with
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> all the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it as a blocker for
> > 4.0.
> > > > We
> > > > >> may
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> already
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> have
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024
> > at
> > > > >> 2:43 PM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Chen <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The release plan
> > looks
> > > > good
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> me.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But since the 4.0
> > release
> > > > >> is a
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> without
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZK,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some
> > release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> criteria
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> it?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Problem I can
> > > > imagine is
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> like,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> when
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there are still
> > many
> > > > ZK
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> removal
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> tasks
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them? We can remove
> > the
> > > > rest
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> of
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> codes in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> later
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still some public
> > APIs
> > > > >> related
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> ZK
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> open
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK to release 4.0?
> > Ex:
> > > > The
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> `--zookeeper`
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kafka-configs.sh?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of only
> using
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> time-based
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> management
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v4.0,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some
> > > > "must-do"
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> tasks
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> and
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> track
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches. And we
> > can
> > > > >> discuss
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> with
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. Does that
> make
> > > > sense?
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024
> > at
> > > > >> 9:29 PM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Jacot
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > <dja...@confluent.io.invalid
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have drafted the
> > > > release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> plan
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Apache
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kafka
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look
> > and
> > > > let
> > > > >> me
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> know
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> what
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> you
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also
> > appreciate
> > > > it
> > > > >> if
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> you
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> could
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will ship in this
> > > > release.
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> took
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> list
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki but I am
> pretty
> > > > sure
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> that
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> list is
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Davud
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25,
> > 2024 at
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> 5:02 AM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Chen
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 from me.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since v4.0 will
> be
> > a
> > > > huge
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> change
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> release,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person (vice
> > release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> manager?)
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> help on
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releasing
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, I'm
> willing
> > to
> > > > >> help.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25,
> > 2024 at
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> 1:33 AM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Colin
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1. Thanks,
> David.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23,
> > 2024,
> > > > at
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> 10:11,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Chris
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egerton
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David!
> +1
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23,
> > 2024,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> 13:07
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> José
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armando
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> García
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sancio
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> <jsan...@confluent.io.invalid
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> volunteering
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> David!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep
> 23,
> > > > 2024 at
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 11:56 AM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mum...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks
> > David!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep
> 23,
> > > > 2024
> > > > >> at
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 11:48 AM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satish
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duggana <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> satish.dugg...@gmail.com
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David
> > for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> volunteering!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23
> > Sept
> > > > 2024
> > > > >> at
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 19:27,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lianet
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liane...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> David!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep
> > 23,
> > > > >> 2024,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 9:54 a.m.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justine
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olshan
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> <jols...@confluent.io.invalid
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and
> > thanks!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon,
> Sep
> > 23,
> > > > >> 2024
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> at
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6:36 AM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tsai
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > chia7...@gmail.com
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and
> > thanks
> > > > >> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josep
> Prat
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 於
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024年9月23日
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 週一
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 下午9:13寫道:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> > David
> > > > for
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering!
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon,
> > Sep
> > > > 23,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> 2024
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> at
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3:11 PM
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> release -
> > > > Apache
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> Kafka
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
> there
> > are
> > > > no
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objections,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building a
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
> > next
> > > > >> couple
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> of
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days.
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image:
> > > > Aiven] <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aiven.io/
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Josep
> > Prat*
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open
> > Source
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> Engineering
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven*
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> josep.p...@aiven.io
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>   |
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +491715557497
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> aiven.io
> > <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aiven.io/>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/aiven_io>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven
> > > > >> Deutschland
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> GmbH*
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Alexanderufer
> > > > >> 3-7,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> 10117
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > Geschäftsführer:
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>> Oskari
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saarenmaa,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hannu
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valtonen,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anna
> > > > Richardson,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>> Kenneth
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chen
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > Amtsgericht
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlottenburg,
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HRB
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 209739
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Arthur
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -José
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > >> > >>>
> > > > >> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > David Arthur
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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