Just as an update, we found a new blocker related to ELR, and the PR to fix it is under review.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18649 best, Colin On Mon, Jan 27, 2025, at 10:08, Greg Harris wrote: > Hi all, > > I just backported > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/KAFKA/issues/KAFKA-17792 to 4.0. > It resolves an out-of-memory scenario for Connect. > > Thanks! > Greg > > On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 9:33 AM Justine Olshan <jols...@confluent.io.invalid> > wrote: > >> Hey folks, >> I've found what I believe to be a performance regression that was caused by >> my last bugfix. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18654 >> I'm hoping to get a PR open today and get the benchmark tests to verify >> things are working as expected. I will keep this thread updated if there >> are any risks for KIP-890 for the release. >> >> Thanks, >> Justine >> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 10:55 AM David Arthur <mum...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > David, I've filed a backport PR for KAFKA-17587 which reorganizes some >> test >> > code. This will help reduce friction when backporting integration test >> > changes from trunk. The risk of this PR is very minimal since it only >> > affects test sources. Let me know what you think. >> > >> > https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/18694 >> > >> > -David A >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 1:07 PM Justine Olshan >> > <jols...@confluent.io.invalid> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Hey Colin -- yes, we have a blocker to bump the stable metadata >> versions >> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18611. I can open that >> today >> > > or >> > > so. >> > > >> > > Justine >> > > >> > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 9:55 AM Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi David, >> > > > >> > > > We have two blockers for ELR: >> > > > >> > > > - KAFKA-18635: Re-enable the unclean shutdown detection when in ELR >> > mode >> > > > - KAFKA-18634: Fix ELR metadata version issues >> > > > >> > > > They're both pretty small and I think we can get them in in the next >> > few >> > > > days. >> > > > >> > > > Separately from that, is the intention to ship KIP-890 and KIP-1075 >> in >> > > > Apache Kafka 4.0? If so, we will need to mark IBP_4_0_IV2 and >> > IBP_4_0_IV3 >> > > > as stable metadata versions. If not, of course, we should bump those >> > > > metadata versions to 4.1. >> > > > >> > > > best, >> > > > Colin >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Jan 20, 2025, at 03:55, David Jacot wrote: >> > > > > Hi all, >> > > > > >> > > > > We are now past the code freeze. We have still a few blockers >> > attached >> > > > > to 4.0. I will review those to ensure that they are real blockers. >> > > > > Please raise any new blockers in this thread. >> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks, >> > > > > David >> > > > > >> > > > > On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 8:24 AM David Jacot <david.ja...@gmail.com >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Hi Matthias, >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Thanks for catching that! I fixed the release plan as you >> suggested. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Best, >> > > > >> David >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 3:46 AM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > I think KIP-1087 is actually "done". >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > The linked Jira ticket might just be wrong. The KIP proposes to >> > > > >> > deprecate `--intermediate-topic` options in AK 4.0, and we did >> > add a >> > > > >> > WARN log for it via: >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > - >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/05696037d330e5e355d62cb1b977bac9df78db82 >> > > > >> > - >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/a9eb06bbdf9b3d14736223edc1e3650677e2fe6d >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > The linked open Jira of the KIP is actually to *remove* the >> option >> > > and >> > > > >> > it is of course for 5.0. For KIPs we usually call them "done" >> when >> > > the >> > > > >> > deprecation ships, not after we finally remove something. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Should we link >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-12823 >> > > for >> > > > the >> > > > >> > KIP instead, as the code for the warn log was merged with this >> > > ticket? >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > -Matthias >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > On 12/18/24 5:06 AM, David Jacot wrote: >> > > > >> > > Hi all, >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > As we are past the feature freeze, I have updated the release >> > plan >> > > > [1] >> > > > >> > > and moved the non-ready KIPs to the postpones section. I have >> > kept >> > > > >> > > KIP-1030, KIP-996, KIP-966, KIP-896 and KIP-724 for now in the >> > > > planned >> > > > >> > > KIPs. Those KIPs are either minor or have exceptions. Please >> > take >> > > a >> > > > >> > > look at the plan and let me know if I missed anything. >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > [1] >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0 >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Best, >> > > > >> > > David >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 12:50 PM Divij Vaidya < >> > > > divijvaidy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> Hey David >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> About KIP 1030 [1], we have 4 PRs open. They are stuck at >> > > > flaky/failing >> > > > >> > >> tests which the author is fixing. We will target to merge >> them >> > > > this week. >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> [1] >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> -- >> > > > >> > >> Divij Vaidya >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 9:25 AM David Jacot >> > > > <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> >> > > > >> > >> wrote: >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >>> Hi Chia-Ping, >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> Regarding KAFKA-18225, I agree that it is an issue that we >> > must >> > > > fix in 4.0. >> > > > >> > >>> I see that Colin's already commented in the Jira about the >> > > > suggested way >> > > > >> > >>> forward. I agree with the proposal. >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> Thanks, >> > > > >> > >>> David >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 6:22 PM Chia-Ping Tsai < >> > > > chia7...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >>>> hi DJ >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> I have merged the PR ( >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/b37b89c6686f5270b37d39cf3144bccb4f5bceb2 >> > > > >> > >>>> ) >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> will keep testing the related e2e >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>> Chia-Ping >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> 於 2024年12月13日 週五 >> > > > 下午3:53寫道： >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> Hi Mickael/Chia-Ping, >> > > > >> > >>>>> Regarding KIP-653: Upgrade log4j to log4j2, would it be >> > > > possible to >> > > > >> > >>>> already >> > > > >> > >>>>> merge the change while continuing to work on the system >> > tests? >> > > > >> > >>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> Hi Calvin, >> > > > >> > >>>>> Thanks for letting me know. Those patches seem reasonably >> > > small. >> > > > >> > >>> Hence, I >> > > > >> > >>>>> have fine with merging them after the feature freeze but >> > > before >> > > > the >> > > > >> > >>> code >> > > > >> > >>>>> freeze. >> > > > >> > >>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> Hi Chia-Ping, >> > > > >> > >>>>> Let me take a look at KAFKA-18225. >> > > > >> > >>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 12:31 AM Chia-Ping Tsai < >> > > > chia7...@apache.org> >> > > > >> > >>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> hi David >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> I have opened a blocker KAFKA-18225 to address an >> > unsupported >> > > > public >> > > > >> > >>>> API >> > > > >> > >>>>>> in KRaft mode. >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Could you please review it to determine if a quick KIP is >> > > > necessary? >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> thanks, >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Chia-Ping >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> On 2024/12/11 08:45:54 David Jacot wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Hi folks, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Happy feature freeze day! Please remember that the big >> > > chunks >> > > > of >> > > > >> > >>> your >> > > > >> > >>>>>> KIPs >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> must be merged by today. In practice, I plan to cut the >> > > > release >> > > > >> > >>>> branch >> > > > >> > >>>>> on >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Monday so you have a few more days. If you cannot make >> it, >> > > > please >> > > > >> > >>>>>> reachout >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> to me to discuss how to proceed. I will go and remove >> the >> > > KIPs >> > > > >> > >>> which >> > > > >> > >>>>> are >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> not ready from the release plan on Monday too. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Alyssa/Colin: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Thanks for reaching out to me about KIP-966. It seems to >> > me >> > > > that >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2 is a pretty >> > large >> > > > change >> > > > >> > >>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>> after >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> the feature freeze. How do you quantify the risk? Do we >> > have >> > > > a way >> > > > >> > >>>> back >> > > > >> > >>>>>> in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> case we cannot make it or if we discover issues? >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Andrew/Divij: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Thanks! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Luke: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Good catch! I also stumbled upon it yesterday. Let's >> wait >> > > for >> > > > >> > >>> Ismael. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 7:56 PM Colin McCabe < >> > > > cmcc...@apache.org> >> > > > >> > >>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024, at 11:33, Alyssa Huang wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Hey David and folks, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> I wanted to discuss the possibility of merging in >> > KIP-996 >> > > > >> > >>>> (PreVote) >> > > > >> > >>>>>> in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> two >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> phases in order to make the 4.0 release. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Part 1 <https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17807> >> > (Vote >> > > > RPC >> > > > >> > >>>>>> includes >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> PreVote field) by feature freeze >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Part 2 <https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2> >> (new >> > > > >> > >>> internal >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Prospective >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> QuorumState and response handling) by code freeze >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> Alyssa >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> +1 frorm me. What do you think David? >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Colin >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 1:51 AM Andrew Schofield < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> andrew_schofield_j...@outlook.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi David, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> I have added KIP-1043. With the exception of one >> method >> > > > >> > >>>>> deprecation >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> which I intend to do in 4.1, it's done. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Andrew >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________ >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> From: Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2024 19:45 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> To: dev@kafka.apache.org <dev@kafka.apache.org> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Kafka 4.0.0 release >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Hey David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for patiently waiting for KIP-1030 [1]. It >> is >> > > now >> > > > >> > >>>>> accepted >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> and I >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> have updated the release plan with the KIP. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> [1] >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> -- >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:37 AM TengYao Chi < >> > > > >> > >>>> kiting...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hello David, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I’ve just added KIP-653, which aims to upgrade Log4j >> > to >> > > > >> > >>>> Log4j2. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> This KIP was accepted a long time ago, and the PR is >> > now >> > > > >> > >>>> almost >> > > > >> > >>>>>> ready. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> I’m currently working on it. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> TengYao >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> 於 >> > 2024年11月26日 >> > > > 週二 >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 下午4:23寫道： >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Luke! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:16 AM Luke Chen < >> > > > >> > >>>> show...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for checking the KIPs. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just added KIP-1011 that Ziming mentioned >> above >> > > > >> > >>> into >> > > > >> > >>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> release >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> plan, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and confirmed it is already in accepted status. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:10 PM David Jacot < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just checked the release plan and it does not >> > > > >> > >>> contain >> > > > >> > >>>>> any >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-accepted KIPs. I added a few other accepted >> > KIPs >> > > > >> > >>>> too. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The feature freeze is on Dec. 11th. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:38 AM David Jacot < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi PoAn/Ziming, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding those to the release plan! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:25 AM Ziming Deng < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> dengziming1...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for driving the release, let’s add >> > KIP-1011 >> > > > >> > >>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> release >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> plan >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which should have beed released in 3.7.0, after >> > > > >> > >>> postpone >> > > > >> > >>>>>> doing >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> it >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> can >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly remove deprecated alterConfigs from >> > > > >> > >>>> ConfgCommand >> > > > >> > >>>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> avoid >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> making >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> our code dirty. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ziming >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2024, at 18:04, David Jacot >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.INVALID >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that the KIP >> freeze >> > > > >> > >>>>>> deadline >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> is >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> today. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a few KIPs getting close to be accepted, >> I >> > > > >> > >>>> will >> > > > >> > >>>>>> wait >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> until >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compile the final list. Please update the >> status >> > > > >> > >>>> of >> > > > >> > >>>>>> your >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> KIPs. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next deadline is the Features freeze on >> Dec >> > > > >> > >>>>> 11th. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 12:02 PM David Jacot < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> dja...@confluent.io> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that we can make a small exception >> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>> KIP-1030 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> but >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot wait >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long. How long do you need to close it? >> > > > >> > >>>>> Ideally, >> > > > >> > >>>>>> we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> should >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> aim >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closing it in the next two weeks. If we >> cannot >> > > > >> > >>> do >> > > > >> > >>>>>> it, we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> may >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> have >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss it again. Please keep me posted. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BR, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:16 AM Luke Chen < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tina, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-1073 into the release plan. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:26 AM Gantigmaa >> > > > >> > >>>> Selenge >> > > > >> > >>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073 I mentioned in my previous email >> has >> > > > >> > >>>> now >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> passed >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting so >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not need an exceptional extension >> > > > >> > >>> anymore. >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Can we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> please >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> include >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release plan? >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 3:04 PM Gantigmaa >> > > > >> > >>>>> Selenge < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I also please request an exceptional >> > > > >> > >>>>>> extension for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows getting fenced brokers via >> > > > >> > >>> AdminClient. >> > > > >> > >>>>>> This is >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important when scaling down a KRaft >> cluster, >> > > > >> > >>>>>> because >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> brokers >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unregistered first but currently there is >> no >> > > > >> > >>>> way >> > > > >> > >>>>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> list >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brokers >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to unregister once they are shut >> > > > >> > >>>>>> down/fenced. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP has been open for voting for >> over a >> > > > >> > >>>>>> month and >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> has >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently 2 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding +1 and 1 non binding +1 [2]. I >> also >> > > > >> > >>>> have >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> raised a >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> draft >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PR for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation [3]. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since it's missing just one more binding >> +1 >> > > > >> > >>>> and >> > > > >> > >>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation is >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready for review, it would be great to >> > > > >> > >>> include >> > > > >> > >>>>> it >> > > > >> > >>>>>> in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1073%3A+Return+fenced+brokers+in+DescribeCluster+response >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/zm5kk9st54rj6t5pw9v1dnxhk64mho4m >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] >> > > > >> > >>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17524 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 12:14 PM Luke >> Chen < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we _should_ include it into >> v4.0.0 >> > > > >> > >>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>> make >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> kafka >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> default >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more reasonable, instead of doing it >> until >> > > > >> > >>>>>> v5.0.0. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think, @David Jacot < >> > > > >> > >>>>>> dja...@confluent.io> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> ? >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 7:01 PM Divij >> > > > >> > >>> Vaidya >> > > > >> > >>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> divijvaidy...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I please request an exceptional >> > > > >> > >>>> extension >> > > > >> > >>>>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1030 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to change configuration defaults and add >> > > > >> > >>>> some >> > > > >> > >>>>>> new >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> constraints >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration? Since these are backward >> > > > >> > >>>>>> incompatible >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> changes, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out in 4.0, the earliest we could >> > > > >> > >>> release >> > > > >> > >>>>>> them >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> would >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> be >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand that the KIP was filed last >> > > > >> > >>>>> minute >> > > > >> > >>>>>> very >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> close >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the benefit to operational load of >> > > > >> > >>>> Kafka >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> maintenance >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this KIP >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have, I would request to consider this >> KIP >> > > > >> > >>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 4.0 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> even >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> after >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 3:13 PM David >> > > > >> > >>> Jacot >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that the >> KIP >> > > > >> > >>>>>> freeze is >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> on >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> 20th >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> November >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one week from today. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 5:09 AM Luke >> Chen >> > > > >> > >>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kamal, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just added them in to the release >> plan. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 11:11 AM Kamal >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Chandraprakash >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kamal.chandraprak...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please add the KIP-1058 and KIP-1105 >> to >> > > > >> > >>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> release >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> plan. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1058 is accepted and PRs are >> ready. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1105 is a minor one, and will >> open >> > > > >> > >>> a >> > > > >> > >>>>>> voting >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> thread >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> soon. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 7:28 AM Luke >> > > > >> > >>> Chen >> > > > >> > >>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alyssa, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-966 into the release >> > > > >> > >>>> plan. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 3:54 AM >> Alyssa >> > > > >> > >>>>> Huang >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahu...@confluent.io.invalid >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for being the release >> > > > >> > >>>>> manager >> > > > >> > >>>>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> 4.0! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed the release plan >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet have KIP-996 (Pre-Vote) >> > > > >> > >>> listed, >> > > > >> > >>>>>> can I >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> edit >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alyssa >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 11:36 AM >> > > > >> > >>> Colin >> > > > >> > >>>>>> McCabe < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi TengYao Chi, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The KIP freeze for Apache Kafka >> 4.0 >> > > > >> > >>>> is. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> November >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> 20th. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been accepted already, it should >> > > > >> > >>> make >> > > > >> > >>>> it >> > > > >> > >>>>>> into >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> 4.0 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion (assuming the code is >> > > > >> > >>> ready >> > > > >> > >>>>> by >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> feature >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.) >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024, at 20:32, >> > > > >> > >>>> TengYao >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Chi >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to request the >> > > > >> > >>> inclusion >> > > > >> > >>>>> of >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP is newly accepted, and I >> > > > >> > >>>>>> believe it >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> will >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valuable >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhancements for both the >> Consumer >> > > > >> > >>>> and >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Kafka >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Streams >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for considering this >> > > > >> > >>>>> addition. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TengYao >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org >> > >> > > > >> > >>> 於 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> 2024年10月11日 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> 週五 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 上午12:22寫道： >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes (although I don't believe >> > > > >> > >>>> there's >> > > > >> > >>>>> a >> > > > >> > >>>>>> JIRA >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.) >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, at 09:11, >> > > > >> > >>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Jacot >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Colin, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. That seems perfect. >> Does >> > > > >> > >>> it >> > > > >> > >>>>>> include >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --zookeeper >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line tools (e.g. >> > > > >> > >>>>>> kafka-configs)? >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06 PM >> > > > >> > >>>> Colin >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> McCabe < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have been using >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-17611 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the umbrella JIRA for ZK >> removal >> > > > >> > >>>>>> tasks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> Progress >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rapid, I >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do think we will get there by >> > > > >> > >>>>> January. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> (Well >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopefully >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, at >> 05:55, >> > > > >> > >>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Jacot >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good point. I think >> > > > >> > >>> that >> > > > >> > >>>>> we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> should >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dates >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. In my opinion, we >> > > > >> > >>> should >> > > > >> > >>>>>> ensure >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> that >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> ZK >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing apis are gone in 4.0 >> by >> > > > >> > >>>> code >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> freeze. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> The >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplest >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an epic for the removal >> > > > >> > >>> with >> > > > >> > >>>>>> all the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it as a blocker for 4.0. We >> may >> > > > >> > >>>>>> already >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> have >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at >> 2:43 PM >> > > > >> > >>>>> Luke >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Chen < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The release plan looks good >> to >> > > > >> > >>>> me. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But since the 4.0 release >> is a >> > > > >> > >>>>>> release >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> without >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZK, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some release >> > > > >> > >>>> criteria >> > > > >> > >>>>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> it? >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Problem I can imagine is >> > > > >> > >>>> like, >> > > > >> > >>>>>> when >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there are still many ZK >> > > > >> > >>>>> removal >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> tasks >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them? We can remove the rest >> > > > >> > >>> of >> > > > >> > >>>>>> codes in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> later >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still some public APIs >> related >> > > > >> > >>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>> ZK >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> open >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK to release 4.0? Ex: The >> > > > >> > >>>>>> `--zookeeper` >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kafka-configs.sh? >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of only using >> > > > >> > >>> time-based >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> management >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v4.0, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some "must-do" >> > > > >> > >>> tasks >> > > > >> > >>>>> and >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> track >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches. And we can >> discuss >> > > > >> > >>>>> with >> > > > >> > >>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. Does that make sense? >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at >> 9:29 PM >> > > > >> > >>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Jacot >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have drafted the release >> > > > >> > >>> plan >> > > > >> > >>>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Apache >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kafka >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look and let >> me >> > > > >> > >>>>> know >> > > > >> > >>>>>> what >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> you >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also appreciate it >> if >> > > > >> > >>>> you >> > > > >> > >>>>>> could >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will ship in this release. >> I >> > > > >> > >>>> took >> > > > >> > >>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> list >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki but I am pretty sure >> > > > >> > >>> that >> > > > >> > >>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> list is >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Davud >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at >> > > > >> > >>> 5:02 AM >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Luke >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> Chen >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 from me. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since v4.0 will be a huge >> > > > >> > >>>> change >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> release, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person (vice release >> > > > >> > >>> manager?) >> > > > >> > >>>>> to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> help on >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releasing >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, I'm willing to >> help. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at >> > > > >> > >>>> 1:33 AM >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Colin >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1. Thanks, David. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, at >> > > > >> > >>>> 10:11, >> > > > >> > >>>>>> Chris >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egerton >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David! +1 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, >> > > > >> > >>> 13:07 >> > > > >> > >>>>> José >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armando >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> García >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sancio >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> <jsan...@confluent.io.invalid >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks for >> > > > >> > >>> volunteering >> > > > >> > >>>>>> David! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 11:56 AM >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mum...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks David! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 >> at >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 11:48 AM >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satish >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duggana < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> satish.dugg...@gmail.com >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for >> > > > >> > >>>>>> volunteering! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Sept 2024 >> at >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 19:27, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lianet >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liane...@gmail.com> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, >> 2024, >> > > > >> > >>>>>> 9:54 a.m. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justine >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olshan >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> <jols...@confluent.io.invalid >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and thanks! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, >> 2024 >> > > > >> > >>> at >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6:36 AM >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tsai >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chia7...@gmail.com >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and thanks >> David >> > > > >> > >>>> for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josep Prat >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 於 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024年9月23日 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 週一 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 下午9:13寫道： >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering! >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, >> > > > >> > >>> 2024 >> > > > >> > >>>> at >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3:11 PM >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release - Apache >> > > > >> > >>>> Kafka >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there are no >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objections, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building a >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the next >> couple >> > > > >> > >>>> of >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days. >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Aiven] < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aiven.io/ >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Josep Prat* >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source >> > > > >> > >>>> Engineering >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven* >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>> josep.p...@aiven.io >> > > > >> > >>>>> | >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +491715557497 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aiven.io < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aiven.io/> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/ >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/aiven_io> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven >> Deutschland >> > > > >> > >>>>> GmbH* >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexanderufer >> 3-7, >> > > > >> > >>>>> 10117 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer: >> > > > >> > >>>> Oskari >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saarenmaa, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hannu >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valtonen, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anna Richardson, >> > > > >> > >>>>> Kenneth >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chen >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlottenburg, >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HRB >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 209739 >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Arthur >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -José >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>>> >> > > > >> > >>>> >> > > > >> > >>> >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > David Arthur >> > >>
