During testing RC0, we found a small bug in the regular expression
resolution with KIP-848: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18916.

The fix is really small so I propose to get it in 4.0. The user experience
without it would be bad.

Best,
David

On Thu, Feb 27, 2025 at 9:32 PM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote:

> During testing RC0, Bruno found that Kafka Streams examples require Java
> 17 right now, while Kafka Streams itself still supports Java 11.
>
> I opened a PR to fix this: https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/19052
>
> We hope it can be considered for 4.0 release.
>
>
> -Matthias
>
> On 2/20/25 11:23 PM, David Jacot wrote:
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > Please go ahead and merge it to 4.0.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2025 at 6:25 PM Andrew Schofield <
> > andrew_schofield_j...@outlook.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi David,
> >> I have a small fix that I'd like to back-port to 4.0 for the KIP-932
> >> consumer (https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/18964).
> >> It changes just the KafkaShareConsumer.java so there's no impact on
> other
> >> components.
> >>
> >> Without this, one of the examples in KIP-932 will not work correctly if
> >> the topic is initially empty. Seems worth fixing
> >> for tire-kickers using the KIP-932 early access in 4.0.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: Chia-Ping Tsai <chia7...@apache.org>
> >> Sent: 19 February 2025 16:12
> >> To: dev@kafka.apache.org <dev@kafka.apache.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Kafka 4.0.0 release
> >>
> >> hi David,
> >>
> >> I've filed a new blocker (KAFKA-18831) to address the Log4j 2 behavior
> >> changes. We've identified the root cause and are preparing a PR, so it
> >> should be fixed this week.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Chia-Ping
> >>
> >> On 2025/01/23 07:15:45 Chia-Ping Tsai wrote:
> >>> hi David
> >>>
> >>> Could you please take a look at
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18627? This JIRA ticket
> >> introduces a new system environment variable and (possibly) deprecates
> the
> >> old one. Is it appropriate to include this change in 4.0?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Chia-Ping
> >>>
> >>> On 2025/01/20 11:55:24 David Jacot wrote:
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> We are now past the code freeze. We have still a few blockers attached
> >>>> to 4.0. I will review those to ensure that they are real blockers.
> >>>> Please raise any new blockers in this thread.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 8:24 AM David Jacot <david.ja...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Matthias,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for catching that! I fixed the release plan as you suggested.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> David
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 3:46 AM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think KIP-1087 is actually "done".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The linked Jira ticket might just be wrong. The KIP proposes to
> >>>>>> deprecate `--intermediate-topic` options in AK 4.0, and we did add
> >> a
> >>>>>> WARN log for it via:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    -
> >>>>>>
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/05696037d330e5e355d62cb1b977bac9df78db82
> >>>>>>    -
> >>>>>>
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/a9eb06bbdf9b3d14736223edc1e3650677e2fe6d
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The linked open Jira of the KIP is actually to *remove* the option
> >> and
> >>>>>> it is of course for 5.0. For KIPs we usually call them "done" when
> >> the
> >>>>>> deprecation ships, not after we finally remove something.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Should we link https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-12823
> >> for the
> >>>>>> KIP instead, as the code for the warn log was merged with this
> >> ticket?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Matthias
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/18/24 5:06 AM, David Jacot wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As we are past the feature freeze, I have updated the release
> >> plan [1]
> >>>>>>> and moved the non-ready KIPs to the postpones section. I have
> >> kept
> >>>>>>> KIP-1030, KIP-996, KIP-966, KIP-896 and KIP-724 for now in the
> >> planned
> >>>>>>> KIPs. Those KIPs are either minor or have exceptions. Please
> >> take a
> >>>>>>> look at the plan and let me know if I missed anything.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1]
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 12:50 PM Divij Vaidya <
> >> divijvaidy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey David
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> About KIP 1030 [1], we have 4 PRs open. They are stuck at
> >> flaky/failing
> >>>>>>>> tests which the author is fixing. We will target to merge them
> >> this week.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 9:25 AM David Jacot
> >> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Chia-Ping,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regarding KAFKA-18225, I agree that it is an issue that we
> >> must fix in 4.0.
> >>>>>>>>> I see that Colin's already commented in the Jira about the
> >> suggested way
> >>>>>>>>> forward. I agree with the proposal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 6:22 PM Chia-Ping Tsai <
> >> chia7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> hi DJ
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I have merged the PR (
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/b37b89c6686f5270b37d39cf3144bccb4f5bceb2
> >>>>>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> will keep testing the related e2e
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> 於 2024年12月13日 週五
> >> 下午3:53寫道:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mickael/Chia-Ping,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding KIP-653: Upgrade log4j to log4j2, would it be
> >> possible to
> >>>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>>>>> merge the change while continuing to work on the system
> >> tests?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Calvin,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for letting me know. Those patches seem reasonably
> >> small.
> >>>>>>>>> Hence, I
> >>>>>>>>>>> have fine with merging them after the feature freeze but
> >> before the
> >>>>>>>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>> freeze.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Chia-Ping,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Let me take a look at KAFKA-18225.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 12:31 AM Chia-Ping Tsai <
> >> chia7...@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hi David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have opened a blocker KAFKA-18225 to address an
> >> unsupported public
> >>>>>>>>>> API
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in KRaft mode.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Could you please review it to determine if a quick KIP is
> >> necessary?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024/12/11 08:45:54 David Jacot wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Happy feature freeze day! Please remember that the big
> >> chunks of
> >>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> must be merged by today. In practice, I plan to cut the
> >> release
> >>>>>>>>>> branch
> >>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday so you have a few more days. If you cannot make it,
> >> please
> >>>>>>>>>>>> reachout
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to me to discuss how to proceed. I will go and remove the
> >> KIPs
> >>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not ready from the release plan on Monday too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alyssa/Colin:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for reaching out to me about KIP-966. It seems to
> >> me that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2 is a pretty
> >> large change
> >>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the feature freeze. How do you quantify the risk? Do we
> >> have a way
> >>>>>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> case we cannot make it or if we discover issues?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew/Divij:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good catch! I also stumbled upon it yesterday. Let's wait
> >> for
> >>>>>>>>> Ismael.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 7:56 PM Colin McCabe <
> >> cmcc...@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024, at 11:33, Alyssa Huang wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey David and folks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to discuss the possibility of merging in KIP-996
> >>>>>>>>>> (PreVote)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phases in order to make the 4.0 release.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part 1 <https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17807>
> >> (Vote RPC
> >>>>>>>>>>>> includes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PreVote field) by feature freeze
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Part 2 <https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2> (new
> >>>>>>>>> internal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prospective
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> QuorumState and response handling) by code freeze
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alyssa
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 frorm me. What do you think David?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 1:51 AM Andrew Schofield <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> andrew_schofield_j...@outlook.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have added KIP-1043. With the exception of one method
> >>>>>>>>>>> deprecation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which I intend to do in 4.1, it's done.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2024 19:45
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@kafka.apache.org <dev@kafka.apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Kafka 4.0.0 release
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for patiently waiting for KIP-1030 [1]. It is
> >> now
> >>>>>>>>>>> accepted
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have updated the release plan with the KIP.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:37 AM TengYao Chi <
> >>>>>>>>>> kiting...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello David,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve just added KIP-653, which aims to upgrade Log4j to
> >>>>>>>>>> Log4j2.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP was accepted a long time ago, and the PR is
> >> now
> >>>>>>>>>> almost
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ready.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m currently working on it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TengYao
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> 於
> >> 2024年11月26日 週二
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 下午4:23寫道:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Luke!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:16 AM Luke Chen <
> >>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for checking the KIPs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just added KIP-1011 that Ziming mentioned above
> >>>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and confirmed it is already in accepted status.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:10 PM David Jacot <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just checked the release plan and it does not
> >>>>>>>>> contain
> >>>>>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-accepted KIPs. I added a few other accepted KIPs
> >>>>>>>>>> too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The feature freeze is on Dec. 11th.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:38 AM David Jacot <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi PoAn/Ziming,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding those to the release plan!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:25 AM Ziming Deng <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dengziming1...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for driving the release, let’s add KIP-1011
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which should have beed released in 3.7.0, after
> >>>>>>>>> postpone
> >>>>>>>>>>>> doing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly remove deprecated alterConfigs from
> >>>>>>>>>> ConfgCommand
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> making
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our code dirty.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ziming
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2024, at 18:04, David Jacot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.INVALID
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that the KIP freeze
> >>>>>>>>>>>> deadline
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a few KIPs getting close to be accepted, I
> >>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wait
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compile the final list. Please update the status
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next deadline is the Features freeze on Dec
> >>>>>>>>>>> 11th.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 12:02 PM David Jacot <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dja...@confluent.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that we can make a small exception for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1030
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot wait
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long. How long do you need to close it?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ideally,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closing it in the next two weeks. If we cannot
> >>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> may
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss it again. Please keep me posted.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BR,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:16 AM Luke Chen <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tina,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-1073 into the release plan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:26 AM Gantigmaa
> >>>>>>>>>> Selenge
> >>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073 I mentioned in my previous email has
> >>>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> passed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not need an exceptional extension
> >>>>>>>>> anymore.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release plan?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 3:04 PM Gantigmaa
> >>>>>>>>>>> Selenge <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I also please request an exceptional
> >>>>>>>>>>>> extension for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows getting fenced brokers via
> >>>>>>>>> AdminClient.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important when scaling down a KRaft cluster,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brokers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unregistered first but currently there is no
> >>>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brokers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to unregister once they are shut
> >>>>>>>>>>>> down/fenced.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP has been open for voting for over a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> month and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding +1 and 1 non binding +1 [2]. I also
> >>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> raised a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> draft
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PR for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation [3].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since it's missing just one more binding +1
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready for review, it would be great to
> >>>>>>>>> include
> >>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1073%3A+Return+fenced+brokers+in+DescribeCluster+response
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/zm5kk9st54rj6t5pw9v1dnxhk64mho4m
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
> >>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17524
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 12:14 PM Luke Chen <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we _should_ include it into v4.0.0
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kafka
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more reasonable, instead of doing it until
> >>>>>>>>>>>> v5.0.0.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think, @David Jacot <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dja...@confluent.io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 7:01 PM Divij
> >>>>>>>>> Vaidya
> >>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> divijvaidy...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I please request an exceptional
> >>>>>>>>>> extension
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1030
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to change configuration defaults and add
> >>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constraints
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration? Since these are backward
> >>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out in 4.0, the earliest we could
> >>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand that the KIP was filed last
> >>>>>>>>>>> minute
> >>>>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> close
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the benefit to operational load of
> >>>>>>>>>> Kafka
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this KIP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have, I would request to consider this KIP
> >>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 3:13 PM David
> >>>>>>>>> Jacot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that the KIP
> >>>>>>>>>>>> freeze is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20th
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> November
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one week from today.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 5:09 AM Luke Chen
> >>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kamal,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just added them in to the release plan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 11:11 AM Kamal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chandraprakash
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kamal.chandraprak...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please add the KIP-1058 and KIP-1105 to
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1058 is accepted and PRs are ready.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1105 is a minor one, and will open
> >>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> voting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 7:28 AM Luke
> >>>>>>>>> Chen
> >>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alyssa,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-966 into the release
> >>>>>>>>>> plan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 3:54 AM Alyssa
> >>>>>>>>>>> Huang
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahu...@confluent.io.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for being the release
> >>>>>>>>>>> manager
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed the release plan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet have KIP-996 (Pre-Vote)
> >>>>>>>>> listed,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> can I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> edit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alyssa
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 11:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi TengYao Chi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The KIP freeze for Apache Kafka 4.0
> >>>>>>>>>> is.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> November
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20th.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been accepted already, it should
> >>>>>>>>> make
> >>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion (assuming the code is
> >>>>>>>>> ready
> >>>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024, at 20:32,
> >>>>>>>>>> TengYao
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chi
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to request the
> >>>>>>>>> inclusion
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP is newly accepted, and I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> believe it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valuable
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhancements for both the Consumer
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kafka
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Streams
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for considering this
> >>>>>>>>>>> addition.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TengYao
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>> 於
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024年10月11日
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 週五
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 上午12:22寫道:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes (although I don't believe
> >>>>>>>>>> there's
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> JIRA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, at 09:11,
> >>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Colin,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. That seems perfect. Does
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> include
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --zookeeper
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line tools (e.g.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> kafka-configs)?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have been using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-17611
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the umbrella JIRA for ZK removal
> >>>>>>>>>>>> tasks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Progress
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rapid, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do think we will get there by
> >>>>>>>>>>> January.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Well
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopefully
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, at 05:55,
> >>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good point. I think
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dates
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. In my opinion, we
> >>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ensure
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZK
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing apis are gone in 4.0 by
> >>>>>>>>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplest
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an epic for the removal
> >>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> all the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it as a blocker for 4.0. We may
> >>>>>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 2:43 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chen <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The release plan looks good to
> >>>>>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But since the 4.0 release is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZK,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some release
> >>>>>>>>>> criteria
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Problem I can imagine is
> >>>>>>>>>> like,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there are still many ZK
> >>>>>>>>>>> removal
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them? We can remove the rest
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> codes in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still some public APIs related
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> ZK
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> open
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK to release 4.0? Ex: The
> >>>>>>>>>>>> `--zookeeper`
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kafka-configs.sh?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of only using
> >>>>>>>>> time-based
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> management
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v4.0,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some "must-do"
> >>>>>>>>> tasks
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> track
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches. And we can discuss
> >>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. Does that make sense?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 9:29 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have drafted the release
> >>>>>>>>> plan
> >>>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kafka
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look and let me
> >>>>>>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also appreciate it if
> >>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will ship in this release. I
> >>>>>>>>>> took
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki but I am pretty sure
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Davud
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at
> >>>>>>>>> 5:02 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 from me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since v4.0 will be a huge
> >>>>>>>>>> change
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> release,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person (vice release
> >>>>>>>>> manager?)
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> help on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releasing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, I'm willing to help.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at
> >>>>>>>>>> 1:33 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1. Thanks, David.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, at
> >>>>>>>>>> 10:11,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egerton
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David! +1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024,
> >>>>>>>>> 13:07
> >>>>>>>>>>> José
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armando
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> García
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sancio
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <jsan...@confluent.io.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks for
> >>>>>>>>> volunteering
> >>>>>>>>>>>> David!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 11:56 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mum...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks David!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 11:48 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satish
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duggana <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satish.dugg...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for
> >>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Sept 2024 at
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 19:27,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lianet
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liane...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9:54 a.m.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olshan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <jols...@confluent.io.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024
> >>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6:36 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tsai
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chia7...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and thanks David
> >>>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josep Prat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 於
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024年9月23日
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 週一
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 下午9:13寫道:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23,
> >>>>>>>>> 2024
> >>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3:11 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release - Apache
> >>>>>>>>>> Kafka
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there are no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objections,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the next couple
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Aiven] <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aiven.io/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Josep Prat*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source
> >>>>>>>>>> Engineering
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Director,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> josep.p...@aiven.io
> >>>>>>>>>>>    |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +491715557497
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aiven.io <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aiven.io/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> |
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/aivencloud
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/aiven/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/aiven_io>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Aiven Deutschland
> >>>>>>>>>>> GmbH*
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alexanderufer 3-7,
> >>>>>>>>>>> 10117
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer:
> >>>>>>>>>> Oskari
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saarenmaa,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hannu
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valtonen,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anna Richardson,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Kenneth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chen
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amtsgericht
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charlottenburg,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HRB
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 209739
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David Arthur
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -José
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>

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