Hi Matthias, Thanks for catching that! I fixed the release plan as you suggested.
Best, David On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 3:46 AM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org> wrote: > > I think KIP-1087 is actually "done". > > The linked Jira ticket might just be wrong. The KIP proposes to > deprecate `--intermediate-topic` options in AK 4.0, and we did add a > WARN log for it via: > > - > https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/05696037d330e5e355d62cb1b977bac9df78db82 > - > https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/a9eb06bbdf9b3d14736223edc1e3650677e2fe6d > > The linked open Jira of the KIP is actually to *remove* the option and > it is of course for 5.0. For KIPs we usually call them "done" when the > deprecation ships, not after we finally remove something. > > Should we link https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-12823 for the > KIP instead, as the code for the warn log was merged with this ticket? > > > -Matthias > > > On 12/18/24 5:06 AM, David Jacot wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > As we are past the feature freeze, I have updated the release plan [1] > > and moved the non-ready KIPs to the postpones section. I have kept > > KIP-1030, KIP-996, KIP-966, KIP-896 and KIP-724 for now in the planned > > KIPs. Those KIPs are either minor or have exceptions. Please take a > > look at the plan and let me know if I missed anything. > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0 > > > > Best, > > David > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 12:50 PM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Hey David > >> > >> About KIP 1030 [1], we have 4 PRs open. They are stuck at flaky/failing > >> tests which the author is fixing. We will target to merge them this week. > >> > >> > >> [1] > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations > >> > >> -- > >> Divij Vaidya > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 9:25 AM David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Chia-Ping, > >>> > >>> Regarding KAFKA-18225, I agree that it is an issue that we must fix in > >>> 4.0. > >>> I see that Colin's already commented in the Jira about the suggested way > >>> forward. I agree with the proposal. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> David > >>> > >>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 6:22 PM Chia-Ping Tsai <chia7...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> hi DJ > >>>> > >>>> I have merged the PR ( > >>>> > >>>> > >>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/commit/b37b89c6686f5270b37d39cf3144bccb4f5bceb2 > >>>> ) > >>>> > >>>> will keep testing the related e2e > >>>> > >>>> Best, > >>>> Chia-Ping > >>>> > >>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> 於 2024年12月13日 週五 下午3:53寫道： > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Mickael/Chia-Ping, > >>>>> Regarding KIP-653: Upgrade log4j to log4j2, would it be possible to > >>>> already > >>>>> merge the change while continuing to work on the system tests? > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Calvin, > >>>>> Thanks for letting me know. Those patches seem reasonably small. > >>> Hence, I > >>>>> have fine with merging them after the feature freeze but before the > >>> code > >>>>> freeze. > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Chia-Ping, > >>>>> Let me take a look at KAFKA-18225. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> David > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 12:31 AM Chia-Ping Tsai <chia7...@apache.org> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> hi David > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have opened a blocker KAFKA-18225 to address an unsupported public > >>>> API > >>>>>> in KRaft mode. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Could you please review it to determine if a quick KIP is necessary? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> thanks, > >>>>>> Chia-Ping > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 2024/12/11 08:45:54 David Jacot wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi folks, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Happy feature freeze day! Please remember that the big chunks of > >>> your > >>>>>> KIPs > >>>>>>> must be merged by today. In practice, I plan to cut the release > >>>> branch > >>>>> on > >>>>>>> Monday so you have a few more days. If you cannot make it, please > >>>>>> reachout > >>>>>>> to me to discuss how to proceed. I will go and remove the KIPs > >>> which > >>>>> are > >>>>>>> not ready from the release plan on Monday too. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Alyssa/Colin: > >>>>>>> Thanks for reaching out to me about KIP-966. It seems to me that > >>>>>>> https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2 is a pretty large change > >>>> for > >>>>>> after > >>>>>>> the feature freeze. How do you quantify the risk? Do we have a way > >>>> back > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>> case we cannot make it or if we discover issues? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Andrew/Divij: > >>>>>>> Thanks! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Luke: > >>>>>>> Good catch! I also stumbled upon it yesterday. Let's wait for > >>> Ismael. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>> David > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 7:56 PM Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2024, at 11:33, Alyssa Huang wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Hey David and folks, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I wanted to discuss the possibility of merging in KIP-996 > >>>> (PreVote) > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> two > >>>>>>>>> phases in order to make the 4.0 release. > >>>>>>>>> Part 1 <https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17807> (Vote RPC > >>>>>> includes > >>>>>>>>> PreVote field) by feature freeze > >>>>>>>>> Part 2 <https://github.com/ahuang98/kafka/pull/2> (new > >>> internal > >>>>>>>> Prospective > >>>>>>>>> QuorumState and response handling) by code freeze > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>> Alyssa > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> +1 frorm me. What do you think David? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Colin > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 1:51 AM Andrew Schofield < > >>>>>>>>> andrew_schofield_j...@outlook.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > >>>>>>>>>> I have added KIP-1043. With the exception of one method > >>>>> deprecation > >>>>>>>>>> which I intend to do in 4.1, it's done. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>> Andrew > >>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> From: Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2024 19:45 > >>>>>>>>>> To: dev@kafka.apache.org <dev@kafka.apache.org> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Kafka 4.0.0 release > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hey David > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for patiently waiting for KIP-1030 [1]. It is now > >>>>> accepted > >>>>>>>> and I > >>>>>>>>>> have updated the release plan with the KIP. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:37 AM TengYao Chi < > >>>> kiting...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hello David, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I’ve just added KIP-653, which aims to upgrade Log4j to > >>>> Log4j2. > >>>>>>>>>>> This KIP was accepted a long time ago, and the PR is now > >>>> almost > >>>>>> ready. > >>>>>>>>>>> I’m currently working on it. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>>>>>>> TengYao > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> David Jacot <dja...@confluent.io.invalid> 於 2024年11月26日 週二 > >>>>>> 下午4:23寫道： > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Luke! > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 9:16 AM Luke Chen < > >>>> show...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for checking the KIPs. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just added KIP-1011 that Ziming mentioned above > >>> into > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> release > >>>>>>>>>>>> plan, > >>>>>>>>>>>>> and confirmed it is already in accepted status. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:10 PM David Jacot < > >>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just checked the release plan and it does not > >>> contain > >>>>> any > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-accepted KIPs. I added a few other accepted KIPs > >>>> too. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The feature freeze is on Dec. 11th. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 8:38 AM David Jacot < > >>>>>>>> david.ja...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi PoAn/Ziming, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding those to the release plan! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 4:25 AM Ziming Deng < > >>>>>>>>>>>> dengziming1...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for driving the release, let’s add KIP-1011 > >>>> to > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> release > >>>>>>>>>>>>> plan > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which should have beed released in 3.7.0, after > >>> postpone > >>>>>> doing > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly remove deprecated alterConfigs from > >>>> ConfgCommand > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>> avoid > >>>>>>>>>>>> making > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> our code dirty. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ziming > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 20, 2024, at 18:04, David Jacot > >>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.INVALID > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that the KIP freeze > >>>>>> deadline > >>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>> today. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a few KIPs getting close to be accepted, I > >>>> will > >>>>>> wait > >>>>>>>>>> until > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compile the final list. Please update the status > >>>> of > >>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>> KIPs. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The next deadline is the Features freeze on Dec > >>>>> 11th. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 12:02 PM David Jacot < > >>>>>>>>>>>> dja...@confluent.io> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that we can make a small exception for > >>>>>> KIP-1030 > >>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot wait > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long. How long do you need to close it? > >>>>> Ideally, > >>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>>>> aim > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closing it in the next two weeks. If we cannot > >>> do > >>>>>> it, we > >>>>>>>> may > >>>>>>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss it again. Please keep me posted. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BR, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:16 AM Luke Chen < > >>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tina, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-1073 into the release plan. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2024 at 5:26 AM Gantigmaa > >>>> Selenge > >>>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073 I mentioned in my previous email has > >>>> now > >>>>>>>> passed > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting so > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not need an exceptional extension > >>> anymore. > >>>>>> Can we > >>>>>>>>>>> please > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> include > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the release plan? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 3:04 PM Gantigmaa > >>>>> Selenge < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gsele...@redhat.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I also please request an exceptional > >>>>>> extension for > >>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1073 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows getting fenced brokers via > >>> AdminClient. > >>>>>> This is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important when scaling down a KRaft cluster, > >>>>>> because > >>>>>>>>>>> brokers > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unregistered first but currently there is no > >>>> way > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> list > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brokers > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to unregister once they are shut > >>>>>> down/fenced. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP has been open for voting for over a > >>>>>> month and > >>>>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently 2 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> binding +1 and 1 non binding +1 [2]. I also > >>>> have > >>>>>>>> raised a > >>>>>>>>>>>> draft > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PR for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation [3]. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since it's missing just one more binding +1 > >>>> and > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ready for review, it would be great to > >>> include > >>>>> it > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1073%3A+Return+fenced+brokers+in+DescribeCluster+response > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/zm5kk9st54rj6t5pw9v1dnxhk64mho4m > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] > >>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17524 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tina > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 12:14 PM Luke Chen < > >>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Divij, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree we _should_ include it into v4.0.0 > >>> to > >>>>>> make > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> kafka > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> default > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> value > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more reasonable, instead of doing it until > >>>>>> v5.0.0. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think, @David Jacot < > >>>>>> dja...@confluent.io> > >>>>>>>> ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 7:01 PM Divij > >>> Vaidya > >>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> divijvaidy...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can I please request an exceptional > >>>> extension > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1030 > >>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aims > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to change configuration defaults and add > >>>> some > >>>>>> new > >>>>>>>>>>>> constraints > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration? Since these are backward > >>>>>> incompatible > >>>>>>>>>>>> changes, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out in 4.0, the earliest we could > >>> release > >>>>>> them > >>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> next > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand that the KIP was filed last > >>>>> minute > >>>>>> very > >>>>>>>>>>> close > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the benefit to operational load of > >>>> Kafka > >>>>>>>>>>> maintenance > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this KIP > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have, I would request to consider this KIP > >>>> for > >>>>>> 4.0 > >>>>>>>> even > >>>>>>>>>>>> after > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Divij Vaidya > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2024 at 3:13 PM David > >>> Jacot > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a friendly reminder that the KIP > >>>>>> freeze is > >>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>>> 20th > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> November > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one week from today. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 5:09 AM Luke Chen > >>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kamal, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just added them in to the release plan. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 11:11 AM Kamal > >>>>>>>> Chandraprakash > >>>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kamal.chandraprak...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please add the KIP-1058 and KIP-1105 to > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> release > >>>>>>>>>>>> plan. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1058 is accepted and PRs are ready. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1105 is a minor one, and will open > >>> a > >>>>>> voting > >>>>>>>>>> thread > >>>>>>>>>>>>> soon. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kamal > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 7:28 AM Luke > >>> Chen > >>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alyssa, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've added KIP-966 into the release > >>>> plan. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2024 at 3:54 AM Alyssa > >>>>> Huang > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ahu...@confluent.io.invalid > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for being the release > >>>>> manager > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>> 4.0! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I noticed the release plan > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not yet have KIP-996 (Pre-Vote) > >>> listed, > >>>>>> can I > >>>>>>>> edit > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alyssa > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 11:36 AM > >>> Colin > >>>>>> McCabe < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi TengYao Chi, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The KIP freeze for Apache Kafka 4.0 > >>>> is. > >>>>>>>> November > >>>>>>>>>>>> 20th. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been accepted already, it should > >>> make > >>>> it > >>>>>> into > >>>>>>>> 4.0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> further > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion (assuming the code is > >>> ready > >>>>> by > >>>>>>>> feature > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze.) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024, at 20:32, > >>>> TengYao > >>>>>> Chi > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to request the > >>> inclusion > >>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> KIP-1092 > >>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This KIP is newly accepted, and I > >>>>>> believe it > >>>>>>>>>> will > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bring > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> valuable > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhancements for both the Consumer > >>>> and > >>>>>> Kafka > >>>>>>>>>>> Streams > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for considering this > >>>>> addition. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TengYao > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin McCabe <cmcc...@apache.org> > >>> 於 > >>>>>>>> 2024年10月11日 > >>>>>>>>>>> 週五 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 上午12:22寫道： > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes (although I don't believe > >>>> there's > >>>>> a > >>>>>> JIRA > >>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yet.) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, at 09:11, > >>>> David > >>>>>> Jacot > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Colin, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. That seems perfect. Does > >>> it > >>>>>> include > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --zookeeper > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command line tools (e.g. > >>>>>> kafka-configs)? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 6:06 PM > >>>> Colin > >>>>>>>> McCabe < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David & Luke, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have been using > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-17611 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the umbrella JIRA for ZK removal > >>>>>> tasks. > >>>>>>>>>>> Progress > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rapid, I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do think we will get there by > >>>>> January. > >>>>>>>> (Well > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hopefully > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024, at 05:55, > >>>>> David > >>>>>>>> Jacot > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Luke, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a good point. I think > >>> that > >>>>> we > >>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dates > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though. In my opinion, we > >>> should > >>>>>> ensure > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>> ZK > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facing apis are gone in 4.0 by > >>>> code > >>>>>>>> freeze. > >>>>>>>>>>> The > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplest > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an epic for the removal > >>> with > >>>>>> all the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it as a blocker for 4.0. We may > >>>>>> already > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2024 at 2:43 PM > >>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>> Chen < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi David, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The release plan looks good to > >>>> me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But since the 4.0 release is a > >>>>>> release > >>>>>>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZK, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some release > >>>> criteria > >>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> it? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Problem I can imagine is > >>>> like, > >>>>>> when > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freeze > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reached, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but there are still many ZK > >>>>> removal > >>>>>>>> tasks > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them? We can remove the rest > >>> of > >>>>>> codes in > >>>>>>>>>>> later > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still some public APIs related > >>>> to > >>>>> ZK > >>>>>>>> open > >>>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK to release 4.0? Ex: The > >>>>>> `--zookeeper` > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kafka-configs.sh? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of only using > >>> time-based > >>>>>>>> management > >>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> v4.0, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggesting > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should list some "must-do" > >>> tasks > >>>>> and > >>>>>>>> track > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milestone > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> date > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approaches. And we can discuss > >>>>> with > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. Does that make sense? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2024 at 9:29 PM > >>>>> David > >>>>>>>> Jacot > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have drafted the release > >>> plan > >>>>> for > >>>>>>>> Apache > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kafka > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+4.0.0 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look and let me > >>>>> know > >>>>>> what > >>>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would also appreciate it if > >>>> you > >>>>>> could > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> review > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will ship in this release. I > >>>> took > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> list > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki but I am pretty sure > >>> that > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> list is > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accurate. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Davud > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at > >>> 5:02 AM > >>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>> Chen > >>>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 from me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since v4.0 will be a huge > >>>> change > >>>>>>>> release, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person (vice release > >>> manager?) > >>>>> to > >>>>>>>> help on > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releasing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If so, I'm willing to help. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2024 at > >>>> 1:33 AM > >>>>>> Colin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McCabe > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmcc...@apache.org > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1. Thanks, David. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colin > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, at > >>>> 10:11, > >>>>>> Chris > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egerton > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David! +1 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, > >>> 13:07 > >>>>> José > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Armando > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> García > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sancio > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> <jsan...@confluent.io.invalid > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks for > >>> volunteering > >>>>>> David! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at > >>>>>> 11:56 AM > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arthur < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mum...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1, thanks David! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 at > >>>>>> 11:48 AM > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Satish > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duggana < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satish.dugg...@gmail.com > >>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for > >>>>>> volunteering! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 23 Sept 2024 at > >>>>>> 19:27, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lianet > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> M. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liane...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, > >>>>>> 9:54 a.m. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Justine > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olshan > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> <jols...@confluent.io.invalid > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and thanks! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, 2024 > >>> at > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6:36 AM > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tsai > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chia7...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 and thanks David > >>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josep Prat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <josep.p...@aiven.io.invalid > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 於 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2024年9月23日 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 週一 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 下午9:13寫道： > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks David for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering! > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 23, > >>> 2024 > >>>> at > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3:11 PM > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jacot > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> <dja...@confluent.io.invalid > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manager > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driving > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release - Apache > >>>> Kafka > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.0.0. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there are no > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> objections, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plan > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiki > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the next couple > >>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 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