Le dim. 15 sept. 2019 à 23:40, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > Surely it would be better to use the JIRA > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86
I don't get it: We agreed to let "Central Services" provide the logo and now we are again presenting homegrown ones... Do we really want to "bikeshed" (again) about unfinished and/or unpolished products? The initial/original thread mentioned previously was supposed to be the place were we define requirements/wishes (in words, or ASCII graphics to convey the general idea). I provided suggestions (in that other thread); please comment. Gilles > > On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 at 21:13, Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Could we please use *one* (and the original) thread to collect ideas? > > > > Gilles > > > > Le dim. 15 sept. 2019 à 19:47, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I do not think we need "Project", we're not a 70s progrock band ;-) > > > > > > I like the Alan Parsons Project, a little :-P > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 07:45 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Here’s a potential logo that I mocked up and sent to Kenneth. Does > > > >> anyone have any opinions on this? I felt like something similar to the > > > >> one that Sally sent across for the HTTP project seemed reasonable. > > > >> > > > >> Also, I think that it’s not exactly adherent to the style guide and > > > >> that Kenneth plans on putting something together that’s analogous and > > > >> adhere’s to the style guide. > > > >> > > > >> Thoughts? -Rob > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> The KISS solution would be to get "Central" to produce not just the > > > >>> Commons > > > >>> logo but one for each component and be done. The even simpler path is > > > >>> to > > > >>> forgo component specific logos, especially since Commons is just one > > > >>> Apache > > > >>> project. I like simpler... > > > >>> > > > >>> Gary > > > >>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 15:08 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hi. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a > > > >>>>>> écrit : > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Thank you, Gilles. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. > > > >>>>>> I was > > > >>>> talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy to > > > >>>> explore options for a future design. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Just curious, who on this transmission is at ApacheCon this week. > > > >>>> Having > > > >>>> worked with Sally in the past on an ad-hoc logo for the DC road show > > > >>>> earlier this year, I could sit down with her and see if we can get > > > >>>> something analogous to what we have in place currently that satisfies > > > >>>> everyone (granted my designs tend to be minimalist in nature). > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thoughts? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -Rob > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the > > > >>>> feather". It's important that if we choose to use an > > > >>>> ASF-feather-inspired > > > >>>> motif that it doesn't look like it's a "broken" version of the > > > >>>> original. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> It was certainly not the intention. > > > >>>>> It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down > > > >>>>> to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of > > > >>>>> reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the > > > >>>>>> feather, > > > >>>> among other adjustments. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" > > > >>>>> than a rotation. ;-) > > > >>>>> [But if they are allowed, then fine.] > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to > > > >>>>>> working > > > >>>> with you. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I > > > >>>>> mentioned in the previous message, and the community can > > > >>>>> converge on a few ideas to help with the design. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Best regards, > > > >>>>> Gilles > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Best, > > > >>>>>> Sally > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> - - - > > > >>>>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity > > > >>>>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations > > > >>>>>> The Apache Software Foundation > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > > > >>>>>>> Hello. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a > > > >>>>>>>> écrit : > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the > > > >>>>>>>> feather > > > >>>> where possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit > > > >>>> of a > > > >>>> problem with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server logo: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo > > > >>>>>>>> - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ > > > >>>>>>>> - new logo > > > >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> So is the choice between > > > >>>>>>> * use the exact same feather as the foundation's > > > >>>>>>> * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather > > > >>>>>>> ? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the > > > >>>>>>>> look of > > > >>>> the logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive footprint > > > >>>> across so many projects. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> To that end, may I ask a favor? > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering > > > >>>> having Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing & > > > >>>> Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Help from experts is welcome. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change > > > >>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the > > > >>>> discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet > > > >>>> your > > > >>>> needs. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] > > > >>>>>>> * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project > > > >>>>>>> (feather included, if applicable) > > > >>>>>>> * No URL > > > >>>>>>> * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] > > > >>>>>>> * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can > > > >>>>>>> easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted > > > >>>>>>> in "Commons" [4] > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the > > > >>>> timeframe between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for > > > >>>> us to > > > >>>> have a few proposals developed. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Great. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> If this works for you, we can get started this week. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Fine with me. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo > > > >>>>>>>> with the > > > >>>> intention of revisiting and updating in future. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Now is a good time. > > > >>>>>>> Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the > > > >>>>>>> few > > > >>>>>>> who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are > > > >>>>>>> failing > > > >>>>>>> what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Warm regards, > > > >>>>>>>> Sally > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Thank you very much for the offer, > > > >>>>>>> Gilles > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 > > > >>>>>>> [2] Discussion thread: > > > >>>>>>> https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp > > > >>>>>>> [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA > > > >>>> pages: > > > >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa > > > >>>>>>> I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. > > > >>>>>>> [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ > > > >>>>>>> [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using > > > >>>>>>> the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly > > > >>>>>>> consensual) idea for the feather orientation. > > > >>>>>>> [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to > > > >>>>>>> provide > > > >>>>>>> idea and a few examples. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> Hello. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache > > > >>>>>>>>> project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the > > > >>>>>>>>> foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use > > > >>>>>>>>> the result in order to compose its own logo. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Case in point is here: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg > > > >>>>>>>>> (where the feather has been rotated). > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in > > > >>>>>>>>> the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thank you, > > > >>>>>>>>> Gilles Sadowski > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> [1] > > > >>>> https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
