Hi. Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a écrit : > > Thank you, Gilles. > > I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. I was > talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy to explore > options for a future design. > > I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the feather". > It's important that if we choose to use an ASF-feather-inspired motif that it > doesn't look like it's a "broken" version of the original.
It was certainly not the intention. It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). > Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the feather, among > other adjustments. Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" than a rotation. ;-) [But if they are allowed, then fine.] > Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to working with > you. Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I mentioned in the previous message, and the community can converge on a few ideas to help with the design. Best regards, Gilles > > Best, > Sally > > - - - > Vice President Marketing & Publicity > Vice President Sponsor Relations > The Apache Software Foundation > > Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > > Hello. > > > > Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a écrit : > > > > > > Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. > > > > > > Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the feather where > > > possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit of a problem > > > with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server logo: > > > > > > - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo > > > - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ > > > - new logo > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg > > > > So is the choice between > > * use the exact same feather as the foundation's > > * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather > > ? > > > > > Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the look of the > > > logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive footprint across > > > so many projects. > > > > > > To that end, may I ask a favor? > > > > > > Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering having > > > Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing & > > > Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? > > > > Help from experts is welcome. > > > > > If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. > > > > I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change the > > projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] > > > > > ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the > > > discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet your > > > needs. > > > > I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] > > * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project > > (feather included, if applicable) > > * No URL > > * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] > > * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can > > easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted > > in "Commons" [4] > > > > > ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the timeframe > > > between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for us to have a > > > few proposals developed. > > > > Great. > > > > > If this works for you, we can get started this week. > > > > Fine with me. > > > > > If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo with the > > > intention of revisiting and updating in future. > > > > Now is a good time. > > Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the few > > who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are failing > > what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] > > > > > Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Sally > > > > Thank you very much for the offer, > > Gilles > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 > > [2] Discussion thread: > > https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp > > [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA pages: > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa > > I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. > > [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ > > [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using > > the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly > > consensual) idea for the feather orientation. > > [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to provide > > idea and a few examples. > > > > > > > > Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > > > > Hello. > > > > > > > > We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache > > > > project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the > > > > foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use > > > > the result in order to compose its own logo. > > > > > > > > Case in point is here: > > > > > > > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg > > > > (where the feather has been rotated). > > > > > > > > Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in > > > > the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Gilles Sadowski > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
