Rob: I've had "Eye In The Sky" in my head for the past 5 days ...
Thanks for the ear worm --it's a sign :^) But I concur: no "Project" is needed in the logo here. - - - Vice President Marketing & Publicity Vice President Sponsor Relations The Apache Software Foundation Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, at 10:47, Rob Tompkins wrote: > > > > On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I do not think we need "Project", we're not a 70s progrock band ;-) > > I like the Alan Parsons Project, a little :-P >> >> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 07:45 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Here’s a potential logo that I mocked up and sent to Kenneth. Does anyone >>> have any opinions on this? I felt like something similar to the one that >>> Sally sent across for the HTTP project seemed reasonable. >>> >>> Also, I think that it’s not exactly adherent to the style guide and that >>> Kenneth plans on putting something together that’s analogous and adhere’s >>> to the style guide. >>> >>> Thoughts? -Rob >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The KISS solution would be to get "Central" to produce not just the Commons >>>> logo but one for each component and be done. The even simpler path is to >>>> forgo component specific logos, especially since Commons is just one Apache >>>> project. I like simpler... >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 15:08 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> >>>>>> Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a écrit : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, Gilles. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. I was >>>>> talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy to >>>>> explore options for a future design. >>>>> >>>>> Just curious, who on this transmission is at ApacheCon this week. Having >>>>> worked with Sally in the past on an ad-hoc logo for the DC road show >>>>> earlier this year, I could sit down with her and see if we can get >>>>> something analogous to what we have in place currently that satisfies >>>>> everyone (granted my designs tend to be minimalist in nature). >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>>>> >>>>> -Rob >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the >>>>> feather". It's important that if we choose to use an ASF-feather-inspired >>>>> motif that it doesn't look like it's a "broken" version of the original. >>>>>> >>>>>> It was certainly not the intention. >>>>>> It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down >>>>>> to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of >>>>>> reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the feather, >>>>> among other adjustments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" >>>>>> than a rotation. ;-) >>>>>> [But if they are allowed, then fine.] >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to working >>>>> with you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I >>>>>> mentioned in the previous message, and the community can >>>>>> converge on a few ideas to help with the design. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Gilles >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Sally >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - - - >>>>>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity >>>>>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations >>>>>>> The Apache Software Foundation >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a écrit >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the feather >>>>> where possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit of a >>>>> problem with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server logo: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo >>>>>>>>> - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ >>>>>>>>> - new logo >>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So is the choice between >>>>>>>> * use the exact same feather as the foundation's >>>>>>>> * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the look of >>>>> the logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive footprint >>>>> across so many projects. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To that end, may I ask a favor? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering >>>>> having Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing & >>>>> Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Help from experts is welcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change the >>>>>>>> projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the >>>>> discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet your >>>>> needs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] >>>>>>>> * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project >>>>>>>> (feather included, if applicable) >>>>>>>> * No URL >>>>>>>> * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] >>>>>>>> * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can >>>>>>>> easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted >>>>>>>> in "Commons" [4] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the >>>>> timeframe between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for us to >>>>> have a few proposals developed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If this works for you, we can get started this week. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fine with me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo with the >>>>> intention of revisiting and updating in future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now is a good time. >>>>>>>> Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the few >>>>>>>> who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are failing >>>>>>>> what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>>>>> Sally >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the offer, >>>>>>>> Gilles >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 >>>>>>>> [2] Discussion thread: >>>>>>>> https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp >>>>>>>> [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA >>>>> pages: >>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa >>>>>>>> I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. >>>>>>>> [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ >>>>>>>> [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using >>>>>>>> the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly >>>>>>>> consensual) idea for the feather orientation. >>>>>>>> [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to provide >>>>>>>> idea and a few examples. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache >>>>>>>>>> project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the >>>>>>>>>> foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use >>>>>>>>>> the result in order to compose its own logo. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Case in point is here: >>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg >>>>>>>>>> (where the feather has been rotated). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in >>>>>>>>>> the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>> Gilles Sadowski >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1] >>>>> https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
