That said, it is nice to look at :-) On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 08:10 Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not think we need "Project", we're not a 70s progrock band ;-) > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 07:45 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Here’s a potential logo that I mocked up and sent to Kenneth. Does anyone >> have any opinions on this? I felt like something similar to the one that >> Sally sent across for the HTTP project seemed reasonable. >> >> Also, I think that it’s not exactly adherent to the style guide and that >> Kenneth plans on putting something together that’s analogous and adhere’s >> to the style guide. >> >> Thoughts? -Rob >> >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The KISS solution would be to get "Central" to produce not just the >> Commons >> logo but one for each component and be done. The even simpler path is to >> forgo component specific logos, especially since Commons is just one >> Apache >> project. I like simpler... >> >> Gary >> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 15:08 Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi. >> >> Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a écrit : >> >> >> Thank you, Gilles. >> >> I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. I was >> >> talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy to >> explore options for a future design. >> >> Just curious, who on this transmission is at ApacheCon this week. Having >> worked with Sally in the past on an ad-hoc logo for the DC road show >> earlier this year, I could sit down with her and see if we can get >> something analogous to what we have in place currently that satisfies >> everyone (granted my designs tend to be minimalist in nature). >> >> Thoughts? >> >> -Rob >> >> >> I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the >> >> feather". It's important that if we choose to use an ASF-feather-inspired >> motif that it doesn't look like it's a "broken" version of the original. >> >> >> It was certainly not the intention. >> It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down >> to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of >> reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). >> >> Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the feather, >> >> among other adjustments. >> >> >> Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" >> than a rotation. ;-) >> [But if they are allowed, then fine.] >> >> Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to working >> >> with you. >> >> >> Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I >> mentioned in the previous message, and the community can >> converge on a few ideas to help with the design. >> >> Best regards, >> Gilles >> >> >> Best, >> Sally >> >> - - - >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity >> Vice President Sponsor Relations >> The Apache Software Foundation >> >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org >> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: >> >> Hello. >> >> Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org> a écrit : >> >> >> Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. >> >> Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the feather >> >> where possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit of a >> problem with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server logo: >> >> >> - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo >> - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ >> - new logo >> >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg >> >> >> So is the choice between >> * use the exact same feather as the foundation's >> * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather >> ? >> >> Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the look of >> >> the logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive footprint >> across so many projects. >> >> >> To that end, may I ask a favor? >> >> Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering >> >> having Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing & >> Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? >> >> >> Help from experts is welcome. >> >> If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. >> >> >> I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change the >> projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] >> >> ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the >> >> discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet your >> needs. >> >> >> I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] >> * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project >> (feather included, if applicable) >> * No URL >> * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] >> * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can >> easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted >> in "Commons" [4] >> >> ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the >> >> timeframe between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for us to >> have a few proposals developed. >> >> >> Great. >> >> If this works for you, we can get started this week. >> >> >> Fine with me. >> >> If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo with the >> >> intention of revisiting and updating in future. >> >> >> Now is a good time. >> Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the few >> who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are failing >> what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] >> >> Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. >> >> Warm regards, >> Sally >> >> >> Thank you very much for the offer, >> Gilles >> >> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 >> [2] Discussion thread: >> https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp >> [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA >> >> pages: >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa >> I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. >> [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ >> [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using >> the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly >> consensual) idea for the feather orientation. >> [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to provide >> idea and a few examples. >> >> >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org >> >> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: >> >> Hello. >> >> We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache >> project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the >> foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use >> the result in order to compose its own logo. >> >> Case in point is here: >> >> >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg >> >> (where the feather has been rotated). >> >> Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in >> the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] >> >> Thank you, >> Gilles Sadowski >> >> [1] >> >> https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> >> >>
