My thunderbird install didn’t properly handle Kenneth and Sally in the CC here. Adding them so that they can hear the conversation.
-Rob > On Sep 23, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey folks, > > > > I think that what Kenneth has provided here is worth adding to the > Jira....thoughts? > > > > Cheers, > > -Rob > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: Advice on project logo > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 07:02:14 -0600 > From: Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org> <mailto:k...@apache.org> > To: Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>, Sally > Khudairi <s...@apache.org> <mailto:s...@apache.org> > > Hi Rob - > > I've played off what you provided to come up with the attached. Your version > concerned me that it was too similar to the original Apache Logo, and from a > glance may not come across as the Commons projects. The attached is my > proposal back to you. There's a version with just Apache Commons, as well as > 3 versions to show how it would look with the Sub Projects name included. > > Please let me know any feedback you might have, and then I can work to output > the rest of the sub projects. > > Thanks, > ~Kenneth > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:26 PM Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org > <mailto:k...@apache.org>> wrote: > Hi Rob - > > I hope you had a fruitful conference. > > Thanks for sending this over. I like the direction this is moving. I have a > couple concerns that I need to run past Sally and then a few minor tweaks I > would want to make visually. > > I'll be back in touch with you soon. > > ~Kenneth > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 11:44 AM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com > <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Sorry we didn’t end up connecting. I’ve got a pass at what I would think the > logo might look like. Let me know what you think. -Rob > > > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org >> <mailto:k...@apache.org>> wrote: >> >> I have some assignments this morning, but most the afternoon I'm available, >> just let me know what time works for you. >> >> ~Kenneth >> >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:30 PM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com >> <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hey Kennith, >> >> Sorry we didn’t connect. I ended up taking a nap in the afternoon. What does >> your day look like tomorrow? >> >> Cheers, >> -Rob >> >>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org >>> <mailto:k...@apache.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Rob, >>> >>> I'm free for most the rest of the afternoon, just checked in the Hackathon >>> room but didn't find you. When and where would be a good time to meet up >>> for you and I'll make it work. >>> >>> ~Kenneth >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 6:03 PM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> Sure I’d be happy to talk at some time tomorrow. Let me know when you’re >>> free. I’ll likely be in the hackathon room for a good portion of the day. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Rob >>> >>>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org >>>> <mailto:k...@apache.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Rob - >>>> >>>> I'm here at ApacheCon this week, and would be happy to sit down with you >>>> and others from the Commons group to talk about your logo update. Let me >>>> know what time works >>>> best for your group. >>>> >>>> ~Kenneth >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:08 PM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> > On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com >>>> > <mailto:gillese...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Hi. >>>> > >>>> > Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org >>>> > <mailto:s...@apache.org>> a écrit : >>>> >> >>>> >> Thank you, Gilles. >>>> >> >>>> >> I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. I was >>>> >> talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy to >>>> >> explore options for a future design. >>>> >>>> Just curious, who on this transmission is at ApacheCon this week. Having >>>> worked with Sally in the past on an ad-hoc logo for the DC road show >>>> earlier this year, I could sit down with her and see if we can get >>>> something analogous to what we have in place currently that satisfies >>>> everyone (granted my designs tend to be minimalist in nature). >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the >>>> >> feather". It's important that if we choose to use an >>>> >> ASF-feather-inspired motif that it doesn't look like it's a "broken" >>>> >> version of the original. >>>> > >>>> > It was certainly not the intention. >>>> > It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down >>>> > to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of >>>> > reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). >>>> > >>>> >> Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the feather, >>>> >> among other adjustments. >>>> > >>>> > Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" >>>> > than a rotation. ;-) >>>> > [But if they are allowed, then fine.] >>>> > >>>> >> Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to working >>>> >> with you. >>>> > >>>> > Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I >>>> > mentioned in the previous message, and the community can >>>> > converge on a few ideas to help with the design. >>>> > >>>> > Best regards, >>>> > Gilles >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> Best, >>>> >> Sally >>>> >> >>>> >> - - - >>>> >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity >>>> >> Vice President Sponsor Relations >>>> >> The Apache Software Foundation >>>> >> >>>> >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:s...@apache.org> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: >>>> >>> Hello. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org >>>> >>> <mailto:s...@apache.org>> a écrit : >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the feather >>>> >>>> where possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit of >>>> >>>> a problem with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server logo: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo >>>> >>>> <https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo> >>>> >>>> - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ >>>> >>>> <https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/> >>>> >>>> - new logo >>>> >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> So is the choice between >>>> >>> * use the exact same feather as the foundation's >>>> >>> * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather >>>> >>> ? >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the look of >>>> >>>> the logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive footprint >>>> >>>> across so many projects. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To that end, may I ask a favor? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering >>>> >>>> having Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing & >>>> >>>> Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Help from experts is welcome. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change the >>>> >>> projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the >>>> >>>> discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet >>>> >>>> your needs. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] >>>> >>> * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project >>>> >>> (feather included, if applicable) >>>> >>> * No URL >>>> >>> * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] >>>> >>> * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can >>>> >>> easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted >>>> >>> in "Commons" [4] >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the >>>> >>>> timeframe between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for >>>> >>>> us to have a few proposals developed. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Great. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> If this works for you, we can get started this week. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Fine with me. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo with the >>>> >>>> intention of revisiting and updating in future. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Now is a good time. >>>> >>> Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the few >>>> >>> who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are failing >>>> >>> what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Sally >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Thank you very much for the offer, >>>> >>> Gilles >>>> >>> >>>> >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 >>>> >>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86> >>>> >>> [2] Discussion thread: >>>> >>> https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp >>>> >>> <https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp> >>>> >>> [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA >>>> >>> pages: >>>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa >>>> >>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa> >>>> >>> I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. >>>> >>> [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ >>>> >>> <http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/> >>>> >>> [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using >>>> >>> the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly >>>> >>> consensual) idea for the feather orientation. >>>> >>> [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to provide >>>> >>> idea and a few examples. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:s...@apache.org> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache >>>> >>>>> project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the >>>> >>>>> foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use >>>> >>>>> the result in order to compose its own logo. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Case in point is here: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg> >>>> >>>>> (where the feather has been rotated). >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in >>>> >>>>> the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>>> Gilles Sadowski >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> [1] >>>> >>>>> https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> <https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf> >>>> >>>>> >>>> > >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>> > <mailto:dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org> >>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>> > <mailto:dev-h...@commons.apache.org> >>>> > >>>> >>> >> > > <Commons-Configuration.jpg><Commons-BSF.jpg><Commons.jpg><Commons-DBUtils.jpg>
