Le lun. 23 sept. 2019 à 15:31, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > My thunderbird install didn’t properly handle Kenneth and Sally in the CC > here. Adding them so that they can hear the conversation.
What conversation? Many of the below messages were not sent to this ML. Where are the proposals? Gilles > > -Rob > > > On Sep 23, 2019, at 9:29 AM, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hey folks, > > > > > > > > I think that what Kenneth has provided here is worth adding to the > > Jira....thoughts? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > -Rob > > > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: Re: Advice on project logo > > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 07:02:14 -0600 > > From: Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org> <mailto:k...@apache.org> > > To: Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>, Sally > > Khudairi <s...@apache.org> <mailto:s...@apache.org> > > > > Hi Rob - > > > > I've played off what you provided to come up with the attached. Your > > version concerned me that it was too similar to the original Apache Logo, > > and from a glance may not come across as the Commons projects. The attached > > is my proposal back to you. There's a version with just Apache Commons, as > > well as 3 versions to show how it would look with the Sub Projects name > > included. > > > > Please let me know any feedback you might have, and then I can work to > > output the rest of the sub projects. > > > > Thanks, > > ~Kenneth > > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 2:26 PM Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org > > <mailto:k...@apache.org>> wrote: > > Hi Rob - > > > > I hope you had a fruitful conference. > > > > Thanks for sending this over. I like the direction this is moving. I have a > > couple concerns that I need to run past Sally and then a few minor tweaks I > > would want to make visually. > > > > I'll be back in touch with you soon. > > > > ~Kenneth > > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 11:44 AM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com > > <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Sorry we didn’t end up connecting. I’ve got a pass at what I would think > > the logo might look like. Let me know what you think. -Rob > > > > > > > >> On Sep 11, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org > >> <mailto:k...@apache.org>> wrote: > >> > >> I have some assignments this morning, but most the afternoon I'm > >> available, just let me know what time works for you. > >> > >> ~Kenneth > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:30 PM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com > >> <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Hey Kennith, > >> > >> Sorry we didn’t connect. I ended up taking a nap in the afternoon. What > >> does your day look like tomorrow? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> -Rob > >> > >>> On Sep 10, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org > >>> <mailto:k...@apache.org>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Rob, > >>> > >>> I'm free for most the rest of the afternoon, just checked in the > >>> Hackathon room but didn't find you. When and where would be a good time > >>> to meet up for you and I'll make it work. > >>> > >>> ~Kenneth > >>> > >>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 6:03 PM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com > >>> <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> Sure I’d be happy to talk at some time tomorrow. Let me know when you’re > >>> free. I’ll likely be in the hackathon room for a good portion of the day. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> -Rob > >>> > >>>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Kenneth Paskett <k...@apache.org > >>>> <mailto:k...@apache.org>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Rob - > >>>> > >>>> I'm here at ApacheCon this week, and would be happy to sit down with you > >>>> and others from the Commons group to talk about your logo update. Let me > >>>> know what time > >>>> works best for your group. > >>>> > >>>> ~Kenneth > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:08 PM Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com > >>>> <mailto:chtom...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Gilles Sadowski <gillese...@gmail.com > >>>> > <mailto:gillese...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > Hi. > >>>> > > >>>> > Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org > >>>> > <mailto:s...@apache.org>> a écrit : > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Thank you, Gilles. > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. I > >>>> >> was talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy > >>>> >> to explore options for a future design. > >>>> > >>>> Just curious, who on this transmission is at ApacheCon this week. Having > >>>> worked with Sally in the past on an ad-hoc logo for the DC road show > >>>> earlier this year, I could sit down with her and see if we can get > >>>> something analogous to what we have in place currently that satisfies > >>>> everyone (granted my designs tend to be minimalist in nature). > >>>> > >>>> Thoughts? > >>>> > >>>> -Rob > >>>> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the > >>>> >> feather". It's important that if we choose to use an > >>>> >> ASF-feather-inspired motif that it doesn't look like it's a "broken" > >>>> >> version of the original. > >>>> > > >>>> > It was certainly not the intention. > >>>> > It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down > >>>> > to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of > >>>> > reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). > >>>> > > >>>> >> Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the > >>>> >> feather, among other adjustments. > >>>> > > >>>> > Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" > >>>> > than a rotation. ;-) > >>>> > [But if they are allowed, then fine.] > >>>> > > >>>> >> Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to > >>>> >> working with you. > >>>> > > >>>> > Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I > >>>> > mentioned in the previous message, and the community can > >>>> > converge on a few ideas to help with the design. > >>>> > > >>>> > Best regards, > >>>> > Gilles > >>>> > > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Best, > >>>> >> Sally > >>>> >> > >>>> >> - - - > >>>> >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity > >>>> >> Vice President Sponsor Relations > >>>> >> The Apache Software Foundation > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:s...@apache.org> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > >>>> >>> Hello. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <s...@apache.org > >>>> >>> <mailto:s...@apache.org>> a écrit : > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the feather > >>>> >>>> where possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit > >>>> >>>> of a problem with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server > >>>> >>>> logo: > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo > >>>> >>>> <https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo> > >>>> >>>> - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ > >>>> >>>> <https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/> > >>>> >>>> - new logo > >>>> >>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> So is the choice between > >>>> >>> * use the exact same feather as the foundation's > >>>> >>> * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather > >>>> >>> ? > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the look > >>>> >>>> of the logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive > >>>> >>>> footprint across so many projects. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> To that end, may I ask a favor? > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering > >>>> >>>> having Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing > >>>> >>>> & Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Help from experts is welcome. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change the > >>>> >>> projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the > >>>> >>>> discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet > >>>> >>>> your needs. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] > >>>> >>> * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project > >>>> >>> (feather included, if applicable) > >>>> >>> * No URL > >>>> >>> * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] > >>>> >>> * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can > >>>> >>> easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted > >>>> >>> in "Commons" [4] > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the > >>>> >>>> timeframe between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for > >>>> >>>> us to have a few proposals developed. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Great. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> If this works for you, we can get started this week. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Fine with me. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo with > >>>> >>>> the intention of revisiting and updating in future. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Now is a good time. > >>>> >>> Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the few > >>>> >>> who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are > >>>> >>> failing > >>>> >>> what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Warm regards, > >>>> >>>> Sally > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Thank you very much for the offer, > >>>> >>> Gilles > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 > >>>> >>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86> > >>>> >>> [2] Discussion thread: > >>>> >>> https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp > >>>> >>> <https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp> > >>>> >>> [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA > >>>> >>> pages: > >>>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa > >>>> >>> <https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa> > >>>> >>> I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. > >>>> >>> [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ > >>>> >>> <http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/> > >>>> >>> [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using > >>>> >>> the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly > >>>> >>> consensual) idea for the feather orientation. > >>>> >>> [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to provide > >>>> >>> idea and a few examples. > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org <mailto:s...@apache.org> > >>>> >>>> > >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: > >>>> >>>>> Hello. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache > >>>> >>>>> project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the > >>>> >>>>> foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use > >>>> >>>>> the result in order to compose its own logo. > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Case in point is here: > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> <https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg> > >>>> >>>>> (where the feather has been rotated). > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in > >>>> >>>>> the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> Thank you, > >>>> >>>>> Gilles Sadowski > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> [1] > >>>> >>>>> https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> >>>>> <https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > >>>> > <mailto:dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org> > >>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > >>>> > <mailto:dev-h...@commons.apache.org> > >>>> > > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > <Commons-Configuration.jpg><Commons-BSF.jpg><Commons.jpg><Commons-DBUtils.jpg> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
