I would be interested if you can include the 34+ in the design.  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Jan 13, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Gary,
> 
> Sorry to create an overwhelming situation for you.  Also sorry for you to 
> have spent nonrecoverable money.
> 
> I think it really comes down to two big options:
> 
> Stainless Steel
> 
> Or
> 
> Polycarbonate
> 
> I very much appreciate your efforts which will help propel my efforts in 
> acquiring SS plates which I intend to pursue.
> 
> If you want to join me in my pursuits you are welcome to do so.  If not, 
> thank you for all that you have already done.
> 
> To the list,
> 
> As stated above, with the help of Ken Heaton and Gary Russell, it looks like 
> there is a solution (which I have been seeking) for a replacement name plate 
> in Stainless Steel.  My pursuits will include something that is suitable for 
> all C&C owners.
> 
> Is anyone interested in stainless steel?
> The attached picture is of Ken Heaton's boat and is a loose expectation of 
> what I'm pursuing.
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Jan 13, 2016 7:19 AM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Wow!  Gentlemen,
>      My original idea (which I shared with you) was to create an original 
> replacement for the deteriorated nameplate on my C&.C 37+ and share it with 
> the members of this forum, for the many year (18) that I have benefited from 
> Stu's fine list.  God bless you Stu!  Many on the list seemed to think it was 
> a good idea.  Then it was brought up that it should have a '+' on it, even 
> though my boat never had such.  I added the '+'.  Of course, the addition of 
> the '+' excluded those who had a 37 R.  So now there is a request for an 'R'. 
>  But some would like it in stainless steel, and some would like it etched 
> instead of being milled in relief (like the original).  Of course, it would 
> be nice to help the folks with the C&C 34s, but that design is an entirely 
> different dimension, requiring a completely different model with different 
> sized characters.  As you can see, this is getting a bit complicated.
> 
>     The original model took about 20 hours to complete, and while I want to 
> give back to the community, the plethora of designs is getting a bit 
> overwhelming.  I am not making any money on these nameplates and have other 
> boat projects in the works.  Anyone interested in my autopilot design?  Don't 
> go there, Gary😀.  In the interest of full disclosure, I am paying $50 each 
> for the plates and incurred $145 in NRE.  I had hoped that by selling 3 of 
> them I could recoup the NRE.  That's now looking less likely.  So here we 
> are.  I cannot make 10 different designs.  We need to come up with a few 
> designs so I am not designing a bazillion different nameplates and miss the 
> ski season entirely.  Let's get together on a couple of designs we can all 
> agree on.
> 
> Gary
> S/V High Maintenance
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
> 
> ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:18 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Hey Ken,
> 
> I'm very interested.  I've always loved the way yours look.  Since we're 
> sorta in a design phase I'd like to come up with something that we can all 
> agree on.  "All" includes anyone that might be interested regardless of 
> whether or not they own a 34+ or 37+ or any of their variants.
> 
> Design considerations would be the font of the C&C, the size of the plates, 
> the relationship of everything, the size of the sword and it's ratios.
> 
> I nominate Gary as the design guy.  He's clearly demonstrated his proficiency.
> 
> Gary, you've already done such a nice job which I greatly appreciate.  If you 
> are pursuing your own solution in polycarbonate and are unwilling to be the 
> "design guy" I would understand.  If not, I'd like to see what you can come 
> up with for this stainless steel solution.  I think what you already came up 
> with is great and matches amazingly close to what was original.  I envision a 
> melding of Ken's plate and your design. 
> 
> -Instead of being raised as in yours, the characters and symbols would be 
> recessed.
> 
> -Per Ken, instead of being 1/4 inch thick it would be ~1/8th inch.
> 
> -The rim is directly on the edge and recessing it will make filling it with 
> paint challenging.  I would eliminate the rim
> 
> -As Ken suggested, swords on the forward end and pointing forward.  Different 
> one each for Port and Starboard.
> 
> -Slightly larger (1/2 inch added to height and width) so as to cover the 
> original hole and overlap by 1/4 inch on all sides
> 
> -As already discussed while you were originally designing yours, provide 
> options for various model numbers.  As I see it, this is the option which 
> opens this project to all C&C owners.
> 
> -Maybe these "specs" could be kept and managed on the photo album for future 
> owners.  A profit margin could be added with proceeds forwarded to Stu.
> 
> -If we initially drum up enough interested owners I believe it would justify 
> a FREE set of plates for you.  I'm thinking that if we get the per plate 
> price near $50 it would be very easy to justify.
> 
> Thanks a bunch Ken and Gary!
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> Hello Everybody,
> 
> While we are on the subject of C&C 37+ nameplates for sale, I have another 
> option to put foreward.
> 
> As some of you already know, my boat has custom made stainless steel name 
> plates on each side of my cabin top.
> 
> A few photos of them have been circulated in the past.  Here is a link to one 
> of those photos:
> 
> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/gh_Za0epuiPkRaZG8fo1NJPE0LDMN2ciJXnWeEGp-rNpYrfVT6JnE_285WjjvuqE_AW-tQ=w1896-h791
>  
> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/gh_Za0epuiPkRaZG8fo1NJPE0LDMN2ciJXnWeEGp-rNpYrfVT6JnE_285WjjvuqE_AW-tQ=w1896-h791>
> 
> ...and in context:
> 
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/hWpYcECinHHDMdWwInzVRGSJhWrC0uqlrxElnqjjJWAQZ5gtjFCJUWEJmMCBAK2CnQIuFw=w1896-h791
>  
> <https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/hWpYcECinHHDMdWwInzVRGSJhWrC0uqlrxElnqjjJWAQZ5gtjFCJUWEJmMCBAK2CnQIuFw=w1896-h791>
> 
> The plates are made of 11 gauge (1/8") stainless,the letters and symbols 
> recessed and then infill painted.
> 
> Because of the ongoing discussion of name plates I removed mine from the boat 
> last week and took them to a local business (Protocase) that makes this sort 
> of thing and specializes in one offs and small quantities and regularly ships 
> all over North America (and Europe).
> 
> Protocase tells me they can easily reproduce these plates exactly the same as 
> mine or any variation of that layout for the prices listed below, in Canadian 
> dollars. Remember, the Canadian dollar is in the toilet right now so the US 
> members on the list will pay considerably less in US dollars.  As of a few 
> minutes ago (according to Google) 1 Canadian Dollar equals 0.70 US Dollar.
> 
> These prices DO NOT include the infill paint, this shop isn't set up to do 
> that yet (they hope to be able to offer this service very soon, perhaps as 
> soon as next week).  These guys (and girls) are into customer satisfaction.
> 
> 46088-1 NAME PLATE (C&C 37+) REV(-) Quantity 1 Lead Time: 2-3 business days. 
> Shipping is also included in these prices, not extra (FedEx- 2 business days).
> 
> Quantity  Product                                             Unit Price 
> 1            NAME PLATE (C&C 37+) REV(-)        $130.98
> 1            Setup Fee                                           $70.00
> 1            Design Services Fee                             $40.00
> 
> A second, identical plate would not incur an additional $70.00 Setup Fee or 
> the $40.00 Design Services Fee AND the Unit Price would also drop some.
> 
> By the time you are ordering 10 or more IDENTICAL plates the unit price drops 
> to $53.00 each plus only one charge of the Setup Fee and the Design Services 
> Fee for the entire order.  So a group order, allowing them to make plates in 
> batches, makes sense for everybody.
> 
> Variations on the plate's layout (say, to have the sword pointing toward the 
> bow on each side of the boat) or lettering changes (to have C&C 37/40+ or C&C 
> 37 XL or whatever) will incur some variation of the $70.00 Setup Fee (the 
> simpler the change the lower the set up fee) but probably will be exempt from 
> the $40.00 Design Fee for each variation on the theme.
> 
> They did provide a quote on a pdf but Stu's List doesn't allow attachments.  
> Or if I could attach it, I didn't want to eat up his bandwidth, so I didn't 
> try.
> 
> This is the company's website (if you'r curious): http://www.protocase.com/ 
> <http://www.protocase.com/>
> 
> Other quote and contact info below:
> 
> Quotation - Shipping Included
> Quote Number: 46088
> Date: 2016-01-11
> Sales Person: Shirley Evely
> Valid Until: 2016-01-21
> Phone: 1-866-849-3911 <tel:1-866-849-3911>
> Email: sev...@protocase.com <mailto:sev...@protocase.com>
> Website: www.protocase.com <http://www.protocase.com/>
> 
> IF A GROUP ORDER CAN BE ASSEMBLED THEY WILL DISCOUNT ALL FEES AND UNIT PRICES 
> SO IF WE CAN ORGANIZE THAT THROUGH STU'S LIST IN ADVANCE OF PLACING AN ORDER 
> THE PRICES WILL COME DOWN.  THIS INCLUDES VARIATIONS ON THE LAYOUTS, 
> LETTERING AND DESIGN.
> 
> I hope this is reasonably clear, Any questions, fire away.
> 
> Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
> S/V Salazar - Can 54955
> C&C 37/40 XL - Hull # 67
> Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Shirley Evely <sev...@protocase.com <mailto:sev...@protocase.com>>
> Date: 11 January 2016 at 12:11
> Subject: RE: Stainless steel name plates (46088)
> To: kenhea...@gmail.com <mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com>
> 
> 
> Hello Ken and welcome back to a new week,
> 
>  
> 
> Sounds great. Please see the quote attached. I have a couple of different 
> qty.’s included, but please let me know if you are looking for different 
> volumes. The setup fee is a one-time fee, which is waived if you wish to 
> order the same units again. Shipping is also included (FedEx- 2 business days)
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you and I look forward to your response.
> 
>  
> 
> Christin on behalf of Shirley
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ken Heaton [mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com <mailto:kenhea...@gmail.com>] 
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2016 5:18 PM
> To: Shirley Evely
> Subject: Re: Stainless steel name plates (46088)
> 
>  
> 
> Hello Christin,
> 
>  
> 
> A price on just making the plates to the correct size with rounded corners, 
> drilled, countersunk holes and the engraving would be fine, thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> Ken H.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On 8 January 2016 at 17:11, Shirley Evely <sev...@protocase.com 
> <mailto:sev...@protocase.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ken,
> 
>  
> 
> It’s Christin here on Shirley’s behalf.
> 
>  
> 
> I would like to share more details/feedback from our Engineering team.
> 
>  
> 
> We can do the engraving but we can't fill the letters with paint, would you 
> like a quote for just the engraving?
> 
>  
> 
> The material is 11 gauge (1/8") stainless, which we do stock.
> 
>  
> 
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
>  
> 
> Christin on behalf of
> 
> Shirley Evely
> Sales Manager
> Protocase, Inc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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