Absolutely go with the sock. It makes handling the spinnaker so easy I use it often. I haven't had any problems with mine. And yes, I would assume ATN's and North's are equally good. I think mine is from ATN.
Andy C&C 40 Peregrine Newport, RI On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > I’m purchasing a Landfall 35 that has a brand new gennaker but no sock or > snuffer. From several forum posts, I’m reading that using a sock can be a > bit challenging and can easily foul midway through the hoist or douse if > care isn’t taken to keep lines clear. Any recommendations? Can one assume > that the ATN or North products work equally well (or poorly)? Most of the > sailhandling with be done double handed with the help of my teenage son, > thus the reason for the post. The main and jib halyards are run aft to the > cockpit, but I believe the spin halyard stays up by the mast, something I > may likely change. The new boat is on the hard, mast down and there aren’t > any winches on the mast (only on the boom for outhaul and reefing). From > the factory, this boat has two dedicated halyard winches and cleats (not > clutches) on the coach roof with pass through holes in the cockpit coaming > for the main and jib halyards, but not seeing anything obvious for the spin > halyard. > > Thanks in advance for any feedback from sock users… > > Chuck Gilchrest > > S/V Half Magic > > 1975 25 Mk1 > > > > S/V Orion > > 1983 Landfall 35 > > Padanaram, MA > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew > Burton via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2015 8:10 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com> > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Lines led forward > > > > My spin halyards are led from the exit boxes up high on the mast, then > through a clutch and down to a block at the base of the mast and to the > winch on either side of the mast. I have three winches at the mast base; > one dedicated for the main halyard and one for the spin or jib on each > side. Clutches are my friend. > > I like the spin halyard arrangement. I can hoist the asym in the sock and > make sure it goes up clean and when it's time to douse, I can ease it down > straight into the bag. > > I mostly cruise, but this works well for racing, too. > > > > Andy > > C&C 40 > > Peregrine > > Newport, RI > > Andrew Burton > > 61 W Narragansett > > Newport, RI > > USA 02840 > > > > http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ > > +401 965-5260 > > > On Dec 21, 2015, at 19:48, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > The question next is what to do about the spinnaker halyard. I can > probably make a case for it being forward in some configuration given that > my wife and I will be using a cruising A-sym with a sock and that would > only be in lightish air. > > > > On Calypso and our last boat (a C&C 36) we had the spin halyard forward so > 1 person is able to hoist/dowse with the spin sock. > > > > Calypso’s full size spin, even in a ATN sock is a hand full in TWS above > 15. Both hoisting and dropping, in the sock, is easier on a run. Avoid > either on a reach. Early in our double-handed racing I got a bit too fancy > with my leeward mark rounding tactics and was nearly dragged off the > foredeck by the sock’s windage. > > > > Back when we had the 36, the cruising A-sym in a sock was easy to handle > in any conditions that a spinnaker would be needed. Having the halyard > forward allowed me to hold it in one hand and use the other to wrangle the > sock onto the foredeck. Both the ATN sock(s) and the cuff that goes over a > rolled up headsail for the A-sym tack have worked well. For Calypso I wish > there had been a carbon fiber hoop option back in 1999 when we purchased > our sock. The large size fiberglass version is a bit heavy. Maybe after I > finish Calypso’s deck rebuild I will fabricate a carbon hoop at home. > > > > Martin DeYoung > > Calypso > > 1971 C&C 43 > > Seattle > > > <image001.png> > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List > *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2015 4:25 PM > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Dave Godwin > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Lines led forward > > > > These observations bring me back to the realities of halyard/reef > management with lines led aft versus forward. > > > > “Forward” on larger boats generally means winches mounted on the mast > in-line with the halyards with appropriate line-stoppers. With this > configuration, and suitable bracing, reefing the main in rough weather is > pretty “safe” and in my experience faster and more efficient. > > > > I’m afraid that my 37’ just doesn’t quite make the grade in terms of a > larger,more stable boat, much that I might wish otherwise. And what I am > trying to achieve is less clutter in the cockpit which is at odds with > safety considerations. I have no intention nor do I think if would be very > feasible to mount winches on my mast. This leaves me with the prospect of > moving the mechanical advantage away from the mast to a position in the > middle of the boat. That modification right away eliminates the ability for > one person to quickly pull in a reef from a single location. > > > > With that in mind, it may devolve down to moving the both the jib halyards > forward. I don’t race this boat nor will I ever and after the furling jib > is hoisted the 1st jib halyard is rarely touched unless there is a pressing > need to adjust luff tension. The 2nd jib halyard remains dormant for the > season and is reserved for emergency duties. Inside/outside peels are thing > of the past… > > > > Right now a quick analysis leads to keeping the main halyard, 1st and 2nd > reefing lines led aft to the cockpit. One winch for the main halyard and > one for the mainsheet which will reduce the winch farm from four to two. > Reefing lines led to the “unloaded” main halyard winch after the main has > been placed in the tack horn and secured by one of several line stoppers. > > > > The question next is what to do about the spinnaker halyard. I can > probably make a case for it being forward in some configuration given that > my wife and I will be using a cruising A-sym with a sock and that would > only be in lightish air. The symmetrical has been retired and most likely > the spinnaker pole will continue to reside in the rafters of my shed. > > > > Much as I keep thinking about moving back to winch farms on the deck, that > is an artifact from the old IOR/Tonner days with lot’s of young agile crew. > > > > I dunno, clearly it’s still a moving target for me. More crumpled up > pieces of paper with deck layout designs in the trash can. > > > > Cheers, > > Dave Godwin > 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin > Reedville - Chesapeake Bay > > Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/> > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the > bottom of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -- Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Ave Newport, RI USA 02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ phone +401 965 5260
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