Absolutely go with the sock. It makes handling the spinnaker so easy I use
it often. I haven't had any problems with mine. And yes, I would assume
ATN's and North's are equally good. I think mine is from ATN.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine
Newport, RI

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:28 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I’m purchasing a Landfall 35 that has a brand new gennaker but no sock or
> snuffer.  From several forum posts, I’m reading that using a sock can be a
> bit challenging and can easily foul midway through the hoist or douse if
> care isn’t taken to keep lines clear.  Any recommendations?  Can one assume
> that the ATN or North products work equally well (or poorly)?   Most of the
> sailhandling with be done double handed with the help of my teenage son,
> thus the reason for the post.  The main and jib halyards are run aft to the
> cockpit, but I believe the spin halyard stays up by the mast, something I
> may likely change.  The new boat is on the hard, mast down and there aren’t
> any winches on the mast (only on the boom for outhaul and reefing).  From
> the factory, this boat has two dedicated halyard winches and cleats (not
> clutches) on the coach roof with pass through holes in the cockpit coaming
> for the main and jib halyards, but not seeing anything obvious for the spin
> halyard.
>
> Thanks in advance for any feedback from sock users…
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
>
> S/V Half Magic
>
> 1975 25 Mk1
>
>
>
> S/V Orion
>
> 1983 Landfall 35
>
> Padanaram, MA
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Burton via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2015 8:10 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Andrew Burton <a.burton.sai...@gmail.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Lines led forward
>
>
>
> My spin halyards are led from the exit boxes up high on the mast, then
> through a clutch and down to a block at the base of the mast and to the
> winch on either side of the mast. I have three winches at the mast base;
> one dedicated for the main halyard and one for the spin or jib on each
> side. Clutches are my friend.
>
> I like the spin halyard arrangement. I can hoist the asym in the sock and
> make sure it goes up clean and when it's time to douse, I can ease it down
> straight into the bag.
>
> I mostly cruise, but this works well for racing, too.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
> C&C 40
>
> Peregrine
>
> Newport, RI
>
> Andrew Burton
>
> 61 W Narragansett
>
> Newport, RI
>
> USA    02840
>
>
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
>
> +401 965-5260
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2015, at 19:48, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> > The question next is what to do about the spinnaker halyard. I can
> probably make a case for it being forward in some configuration given that
> my wife and I will be using a cruising A-sym with a sock and that would
> only be in lightish air.
>
>
>
> On Calypso and our last boat (a C&C 36) we had the spin halyard forward so
> 1 person is able to hoist/dowse with the spin sock.
>
>
>
> Calypso’s full size spin, even in a ATN sock is a hand full in TWS above
> 15.  Both hoisting and dropping, in the sock, is easier on a run.  Avoid
> either on a reach.  Early in our double-handed racing I got a bit too fancy
> with my leeward mark rounding tactics and was nearly dragged off the
> foredeck by the sock’s windage.
>
>
>
> Back when we had the 36, the cruising A-sym in a sock was easy to handle
> in any conditions that a spinnaker would be needed.  Having the halyard
> forward allowed me to hold it in one hand and use the other to wrangle the
> sock onto the foredeck.  Both the ATN sock(s) and the cuff that goes over a
> rolled up headsail for the A-sym tack have worked well.  For Calypso I wish
> there had been a carbon fiber hoop option back in 1999 when we purchased
> our sock.  The large size fiberglass version is a bit heavy.  Maybe after I
> finish Calypso’s deck rebuild I will fabricate a carbon hoop at home.
>
>
>
> Martin DeYoung
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> <image001.png>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Dave Godwin via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Monday, December 21, 2015 4:25 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Dave Godwin
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Lines led forward
>
>
>
> These observations bring me back to the realities of halyard/reef
> management with lines led aft versus forward.
>
>
>
> “Forward” on larger boats generally means winches mounted on the mast
> in-line with the halyards with appropriate line-stoppers. With this
> configuration, and suitable bracing, reefing the main in rough weather is
> pretty “safe” and in my experience faster and more efficient.
>
>
>
> I’m afraid that my 37’ just doesn’t quite make the grade in terms of a
> larger,more stable boat, much that I might wish otherwise. And what I am
> trying to achieve is less clutter in the cockpit which is at odds with
> safety considerations. I have no intention nor do I think if would be very
> feasible to mount winches on my mast. This leaves me with the prospect of
> moving the mechanical advantage away from the mast to a position in the
> middle of the boat. That modification right away eliminates the ability for
> one person to quickly pull in a reef from a single location.
>
>
>
> With that in mind, it may devolve down to moving the both the jib halyards
> forward. I don’t race this boat nor will I ever and after the furling jib
> is hoisted the 1st jib halyard is rarely touched unless there is a pressing
> need to adjust luff tension. The 2nd jib halyard remains dormant for the
> season and is reserved for emergency duties. Inside/outside peels are thing
> of the past…
>
>
>
> Right now a quick analysis leads to keeping the main halyard, 1st and 2nd
> reefing lines led aft to the cockpit. One winch for the main halyard and
> one for the mainsheet which will reduce the winch farm from four to two.
> Reefing lines led to the “unloaded” main halyard winch after the main has
> been placed in the tack horn and secured by one of several line stoppers.
>
>
>
> The question next is what to do about the spinnaker halyard. I can
> probably make a case for it being forward in some configuration given that
> my wife and I will be using a cruising A-sym with a sock and that would
> only be in lightish air. The symmetrical has been retired and most likely
> the spinnaker pole will continue to reside in the rafters of my shed.
>
>
>
> Much as I keep thinking about moving back to winch farms on the deck, that
> is an artifact from the old IOR/Tonner days with lot’s of young agile crew.
>
>
>
> I dunno, clearly it’s still a moving target for me. More crumpled up
> pieces of paper with deck layout designs in the trash can.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit <http://roninrebuild.blogspot.com/>
>
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