Interesting. Hull number 100 (some of the internal documents in my build file show my boat as 380047 with an extra 0, even though the HIN is 38047.) I have been told that production of the 38 mk2 started around 090, and around September of 1976. I would think that would make Delaney a 1977 model.
Something similar to your situation happened with my 25, and I didn't notice it until I moved to NC and had to get it titled. The HIN on the plate in the cockpit has an extra 0 on it, so the HIN and the metal plate did not match. Neither did the bill of sale from Maryland and my registration from Pennsylvania match the HIN molded into the transom. Had a heck of a time convincing the NCDMV to give me a title and NC registration numbers. I looked up Delany in the USCG Documentation database. Besides the partial HIN, I also noticed that your gross tonnage is greater than Imzadi's, but the net tonnage is the same. Rick Brass -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:32 PM To: billb...@sbcglobal.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List HIN Again - Sorry Rick, To throw some more confusion into the picture, My 1976 38 does not have any marking on the transom, only the manufacturer plate in the cockpit, and the serial number does not have any MIC letters, just numbers. It is stamped with the number "380100-76". All of the paperwork that I have shows the serial number from the plate, no MIC letter codes. I don't have the builder's file, but I think I'll call South Shore and see if I can get it. James Delany 1976 38 MkII Oriental, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bina" <billb...@sbcglobal.net> To: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net> Cc: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:11 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List HIN Again - Sorry > Your 25 was no doubt built in Canada and has an accurate MIC for the > Canadian plant, as the Rhode Island plant didn't exist when that boat was > built. When it was built, CCY was still the legal MIC for C&C Yachts of > Canada. That changed irrevocably when the Rhode Island plant went online > in February 1976 and the CCY MIC was assigned to Rhode Island. Something > is amiss with your paperwork if it says your 38 was built in the U.S., yet > has a ZCC MIC. There are at least a couple issues with that. The first is > that, as I stated, those numbers are not governed by the manufacturer. You > cannot randomly use different Social Security numbers, either. The other > issue is that I do not believe the Middletown plant was building 38's in > 1976. The molds were in Canada. Maybe they left out a step, or fudged the > paper work for some unknown reason. If that hull has a ZCC MIC, then it > was laid up in Canada, or else laws were broken. If the paperwork said the > incomplete hull was exported to Rhode Island for completion, then shipped > back to Canada for some unexpected further work that could not be done in > Rhode Island, or a sale fell through, I suppose that would be plausible. > The MIC portion of the HIN legally indicates the point of origin. > > Bill Bina > > On 7/12/2013 10:13 PM, Rick Brass wrote: >> Bill; >> >> My 25 is certainly a CCY and the customs documentation shows it was made >> in >> Canada and shipped to the US in very early 75. >> >> The 38, which is a Mk1, HIN 047, has the manufacturers code ZCC. It was >> made >> in Rhode Island in early 76, and was listed as ZCC on the customs >> documentation when shipped to NOTL for "addition of optional equipment", >> and >> also as ZCC when reimported to Mt. Clemens, MI. I'd need to check the >> builders file on the boat, but IIRC, the second customs paperwork shows >> the >> Canadian content to be about $2k of a total value of about $36K. >> >> As I said, I'm curious whether anyone on the list has a 25 mk1 that is >> not a >> CCY. >> >> Now I'm curious to know if there are and 38s with HIN of 89 or lower (HIN >> 90 >> from about September 76 was the approximate break between the MK1 and the >> MK2, I've been told)that is a CCY? >> >> BTW, the ZCC code is still in the USCG database, assigned to C&C Yachts >> on >> Regent St in NOTL, Ontario. The CCY code has apparently been reassigned >> to >> something called Calder Building Co in Mesa, AZ. And there is a C&C >> Boatbuilding (CCW) that is in Sargentville, ME. >> >> What does Tartan.C&C use for the current models of C&C? >> >> Rick Brass >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill >> Bina >> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 3:54 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List HIN Again - Sorry >> >> The manufacturer codes are not something the manufacturer can play around >> with. C&C was ASSIGNED CCY when they became a company in Canada and the >> change was when they opened the Rhode Island plant. Once the Rhode Island >> Plant was in operation, it was ASSIGNED CCY and at that time, the >> Canadian >> plant was ASSIGNED ZCC. There was no overlap, and Candian built boats >> could >> not legally have CCY as the code once the Rhode Island plant was >> operating. >> It was not C&C's choice which code to use. The only way I can possible >> see a >> Rhode Island boat having ZCC would be if it had something seriously wrong >> with it when it came out of the mold, and it was shipped to Canada and >> RE-manufactured with a new Canadian ID number. >> >> Bill Bina >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
