Rick,
To throw some more confusion into the picture, My 1976 38 does not have any
marking on the transom, only the manufacturer plate in the cockpit, and the
serial number does not have any MIC letters, just numbers. It is stamped
with the number "380100-76". All of the paperwork that I have shows the
serial number from the plate, no MIC letter codes. I don't have the
builder's file, but I think I'll call South Shore and see if I can get it.
James
Delany
1976 38 MkII
Oriental, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bina" <billb...@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Rick Brass" <rickbr...@earthlink.net>
Cc: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List HIN Again - Sorry
Your 25 was no doubt built in Canada and has an accurate MIC for the
Canadian plant, as the Rhode Island plant didn't exist when that boat was
built. When it was built, CCY was still the legal MIC for C&C Yachts of
Canada. That changed irrevocably when the Rhode Island plant went online
in February 1976 and the CCY MIC was assigned to Rhode Island. Something
is amiss with your paperwork if it says your 38 was built in the U.S., yet
has a ZCC MIC. There are at least a couple issues with that. The first is
that, as I stated, those numbers are not governed by the manufacturer. You
cannot randomly use different Social Security numbers, either. The other
issue is that I do not believe the Middletown plant was building 38's in
1976. The molds were in Canada. Maybe they left out a step, or fudged the
paper work for some unknown reason. If that hull has a ZCC MIC, then it
was laid up in Canada, or else laws were broken. If the paperwork said the
incomplete hull was exported to Rhode Island for completion, then shipped
back to Canada for some unexpected further work that could not be done in
Rhode Island, or a sale fell through, I suppose that would be plausible.
The MIC portion of the HIN legally indicates the point of origin.
Bill Bina
On 7/12/2013 10:13 PM, Rick Brass wrote:
Bill;
My 25 is certainly a CCY and the customs documentation shows it was made
in
Canada and shipped to the US in very early 75.
The 38, which is a Mk1, HIN 047, has the manufacturers code ZCC. It was
made
in Rhode Island in early 76, and was listed as ZCC on the customs
documentation when shipped to NOTL for "addition of optional equipment",
and
also as ZCC when reimported to Mt. Clemens, MI. I'd need to check the
builders file on the boat, but IIRC, the second customs paperwork shows
the
Canadian content to be about $2k of a total value of about $36K.
As I said, I'm curious whether anyone on the list has a 25 mk1 that is
not a
CCY.
Now I'm curious to know if there are and 38s with HIN of 89 or lower (HIN
90
from about September 76 was the approximate break between the MK1 and the
MK2, I've been told)that is a CCY?
BTW, the ZCC code is still in the USCG database, assigned to C&C Yachts
on
Regent St in NOTL, Ontario. The CCY code has apparently been reassigned
to
something called Calder Building Co in Mesa, AZ. And there is a C&C
Boatbuilding (CCW) that is in Sargentville, ME.
What does Tartan.C&C use for the current models of C&C?
Rick Brass
-----Original Message-----
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Bina
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 3:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List HIN Again - Sorry
The manufacturer codes are not something the manufacturer can play around
with. C&C was ASSIGNED CCY when they became a company in Canada and the
change was when they opened the Rhode Island plant. Once the Rhode Island
Plant was in operation, it was ASSIGNED CCY and at that time, the
Canadian
plant was ASSIGNED ZCC. There was no overlap, and Candian built boats
could
not legally have CCY as the code once the Rhode Island plant was
operating.
It was not C&C's choice which code to use. The only way I can possible
see a
Rhode Island boat having ZCC would be if it had something seriously wrong
with it when it came out of the mold, and it was shipped to Canada and
RE-manufactured with a new Canadian ID number.
Bill Bina
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