Hi folks,
This has been a very useful discussion for me but especially for my friend
currently looking at boats.
Does anybody have comments or experience on this pinless moisture metre?
Don
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> From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 2:02:56 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
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>RE: Moisture Meter
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>The one I have is the CT33:
>http://www.electrophysics.on.ca/no_pins.htm
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>It does not eliminate the need for a survey. It just eliminates wet boats
>saving you from hiring a surveyor to tell you that.
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>On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca>
>wrote:
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>>My experience has always been that the
buyer hires the surveyor that he wants to do the job and therefore the buyer
pays the survey charges. That survey is only done after the buyer and the
seller have agreed on price. If the survey discovers issues that affect
integrity or safety the buyer can request that the seller bring those issues to
standards acceptable to his surveyor and then pay the agreed upon price or
negotiate a lower price and take on doing the work after purchase. If the
boat passes survey the survey report will be needed to get insurance. If
the boat fails survey and no compromise can be reached and the buyer walks, then
the buyer is still stuck with the survey charges because the surveyor did his
job. Is it possible to get that money back from the seller if you walk away?
I always considered getting a survey done on a boat a fair investment on
that boat before I even own it so I did very thorough inspections myself before
getting a surveyor, besides I wanted to see with my own I eyes what I was
buying…those trips and surveys increase total cost to buy.
>>
>>Dwight Veinot
>>C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>>Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>
>>
>>________________________________
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>>From:CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of Chuck S
>>Sent: April 7, 2013 10:12 PM
>>
>>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30
- cont - how to make an offer
>>
>>Lots of good
advice.
>>
>>Insurance now requires a full survey that is expensive. If you decide not
to buy this boat, the full survey cost is on you and you will pay the fee again
on the next boat. Instead I would advise you make your offer, get a
signed contract, but do a personal assessment of the boat yourself or with more
knowledgable friend.
>>Step 1: Sea Trial, You can determine many physical problems yourself. How
does the engine and transmission operate, sails, halyards, deck layout.
Lifelines and stanchions OK? Don't fall in love. Pick it
apart. If nothing looks obvious, proceed to:
>>Step 2: Haul out. You can check many things yourself; the bottom
paint condition, check keel bottom for scrapes, grounding, check the keel root
for signs of cracked glass where it meets the hull, feel the rudder bearing
play, and prop wear, cutless bearing wear. If still good, proceed to:
>>Step 3: Professional survey. Guarantee he will find problems, so expect a
list.
>>
>>Once you get your list you can research what yards will charge to make repairs
and deduct that from your offer or renegotiate.
>>
>>If you decide to walk away, offer to sell the complete survey to the
owner. I've heard some owners have paid for it, some only paid
half. It's worthless to you at this point, but will be valuable to a
future buyer, so don't give it away.
>>
>>Good luck
>>Chuck
>>Resolute
>>1990 C&C 34R
>>Atlantic City, NJ
>>
>>________________________________
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>>From: "kirk sneddon"
<kirksned...@optonline.net>
>>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>Cc: "k sneddon"
<k.sned...@ardeinc.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013
8:31:34 PM
>>Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30
- cont - how to make an offer
>>
>>When I bought my C&C, and sold my old boat the surveyor hired by the buyer
>>was very good.
>>
>>I believe he was based in Port Washington.
>>
>>I think I have his contact info at my office.
>>
>>If the boat is closer to the east end of LI, Andrew Kinsey, is very good. I
>>grew up racing Lasers and Sunfish against Andrew (usually loosing) I can
>>chase down current contact info for him if it would be helpful.
>>
>>Let me know where on LI the boat is docked and I can get you some contact
>>info.
>>
>>Kirk Sneddon
>>C&C 29 Mk II , Flying Cloud
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark
>>Bodnar
>>Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM
>>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
>>
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>>That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if something big
>>comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move on.
>>
>>Any one know a good surveyor on Long Island?
What about cost for a survey
>>for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine?
>>Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to get it pulled out to
>>see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the brokers yard will charge
>>me for that or if they do it to get the sale??
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>---------------------
>> Dr. Mark Bodnar
>>B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
>>Bedford Chiropractic
>>www.bedfordchiro.ca
>>---------------------
>>
>>There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>> - George Santayana
>>
>>On 07/04/2013 5:13 PM, dwight veinot wrote:
>>> The boat is worth what you are willing to pay for it...if you get it
>>> at your offer price great, if not look for something else
>>>
>>> Dwight Veinot
>>> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>>> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Colin Kilgour
>>> Sent: April 7, 2013 5:03 PM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
>>>
>>> In the states, everybody uses the YBAA form for offers. The selling
>>> broker can provide the form.
>>>
>>> Putting a survey as a condition is bog standard. I've had it
included
>>> on boats where I didn't even end up doing a survey.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't expect a ton of movement on price as a result of a survey.
>>> With a boat of that age and price point, if the survey turns up
>>> something minor you might get some movement, but you might also get
>>> "it's an old boat. deal with it". If a major item
turns up (say a
>>> wet deck) it probably just means that you walk away.
>>>
>>> Good luck with it.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Colin
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/7/13, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Typically you make your offer contingent on survey. That can be as
>>> detailed
>>>> as you like; hull survey, engine survey, and you can add sea trials
>>>> to
>>> test
>>>> systems. You are making the offer. If the owner accepts your offer,
>>>> the
>>> full
>>>> price would be expected unless the survey finds things wrong. Once
>>> problems
>>>> are discovered, the owner can opt to fix them which is rare, or you
>>>> can lower your offer to offset the cost of repairs. Your survey
>>>> should help lower the offer to a "where-is, as-is" value
cause the
>>>> owner doesn't want
>>> to
>>>> fix anything and wants out.
>>>>
>>>> Be prepared for rejection. Make your offer low. If the owner accepts
>>>> the first offer, you came in high. Research other vessels w similar
>>>> equipment first. There are many 30's for sale on Yachtworld.com and
>>>> there are other sites.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>> Resolute
>>>> 1990 C&C 34R
>>>> Atlantic City, NJ
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Knowles Rich" <r...@sailpower.ca>
>>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:11:51 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer
>>>>
>>>> Just make your offer, get the survey done and negotiate the repairs
>>after.
>>>> If you want to sit down over a coffee to discuss it, we can do that
too.
>>>> Sender a phone number off list if you like. It's Sunday and I have
>>>> some time.
>>>>
>>>> Rich Knowles
>>>> Indigo. LF38
>>>> Halifax
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-04-07, at 14:06, "Dr. Mark Bodnar"
<drbod...@accesswave.ca>
>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I'm "negotiating" with the broker of the C&C 30 I've
been looking at.
>>> (He
>>>> was away on vacation).
>>>>
>>>> I brought up a few issues with the boat and his response was
"older
>>>> boats have these issues, maybe you should look for a newer boat"
--
>>>> Rather friendly chap it seems!
>>>>
>>>> I'm still looking at how to proceed. Overall the price of the boat is
>>> quite
>>>> good, with a few issues. Most issues cosmetic - but a couple
>>>> potentially significant problems --- 1 chain plate looks a little
>>>> corroded, and one section of deck that looks rough in the pictures
>>>> (my contact who looked at the boat said it didn't feel soft, but he
>>>> didn't try to tap it - starboard deck, right next to companionway)
>>>>
>>>> Having talked with my insurance agent I was advised that I would need
>>>> to have the boat professional surveyed and all significant issues
>>>> dealt with before it leaves the dock to head to Nova Scotia.
>>>>
>>>> So - I've never done this part before. If I make an offer contingent
>>>> on a survey, is there specific wording. Does anyone have a
"contract" in
>>hand?
>>>> Any advice?
>>>> I figure I'll make an offer of $14000, contingent on survey, but what
>>> should
>>>> I say about repairs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------
>>>> Dr. Mark Bodnar
>>>> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
>>>> Bedford Chiropractic
>>>> www.bedfordchiro.ca
>>>> ---------------------
>>>>
>>>> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.
>>>> - George Santayana
>>>>
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