Andrew Kinsey kinseymar...@optonline.net 631-807-8907
I'm not sure that he's still doing pleasure boat surveys though as his Linkedin says he's now at ACE Commercial Marine. Cheers Colin On 4/8/13, Mark Bodnar <drbod...@accesswave.ca> wrote: > Thanks for all the info everyone. > The boat is at the North eastern end of Long Island - Greenport. So yes, I'd > like the contact info for Andrew Kinsey. > > Rick - great info. Thanks for the detail. Interesting to hear the brokers > comments on boat values. Locally similar boats are selling for a lot more > (at least the Yachtworld and local classified listings). This boat has a new > diesel as of 2000, so a give that value above a couple Atomic 4's I've seen > listed for more $. But I will re-think my offer plan. I was thinking of > offering $12K, but I guess I let the brokers comments shift my thinking. > My understanding is that the owner wants to move up to a bigger boat. Missed > out on the one he wanted last year because this boat didn't sell, so he's > had this listed now since the fall. 5 months on the market already - if it > was as good a deal as the broker thinks it would be gone already! That > said, this boat is well priced against all the other C&C 30's I've found > online. It is at the low end of price for listed boats, but with a 13yr old > diesel, and good condition. > Rick, if you want to sail that local 30 up the coast for a couple weeks to > Nova Scotia then I might be interested in it! > > Chuck, unfortunately in my situation a survey is far cheaper than a personal > sea trial. I live >500 from the boat, so my only real option is to get a > good survey. > In this case the broker appears to be the marina operator > -Brewer Yacht Sales at Brewer Stirling Harbor Marina > I'll make sure that I'm not eating dockage fees while I sort out how to get > the boat home if the deal goes through. > > More to think about! > > Thanks again to everyone for all the advice. I'll let you all know what > happens. > > Mark > > ---------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc. D.C. FCCPOR(c) > www.bedfordchiro.ca > ---------------------- > > “In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your > fear of failure.” > Bill Cosby > > On 2013-04-07, at 8:35 PM, Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> In response to your original question, here is a copy of the wording that >> appeared in my offer for Imzadi regarding the survey. This was part of a >> preprinted offer form used by the broker in Norfolk, but I don't know if >> it >> is the standard AYBA form that Colin referred to. >> >> In a paragraph labeled "Additional Provisions" this was added: >> 1) Offer is subject to a survey as detailed in paragraph 3. >> 2) Vessel as delivered to include all equipment as listed in the attached >> description. >> >> Paragraph 3 says: >> 3. This offer is made for the vessel "as is. where is" unless otherwise >> provided by additional provision hereto. >> subject to survey, if desired by Purchaser, by Purchaser's surveyor and at >> Purchaser's expense (including hauling), >> provided such survey is made on or before ________________ (If no survey >> is >> desired by Purchaser, write "no >> survey desired" in lieu of a date.) Purchaser may rescind this purchase >> prior to settlement if such survey discloses >> items missing, or requiring repairs or replacement, if such items are >> essential to normal operation of the vessel, the >> reasonable safety of persons on board having due regard for what is normal >> for similar vessels, or for obtaining >> normal financing and/or insurance or failure to supply, repair or replace >> such items will materially reduce the value >> of the vessel below the purchase price herein. In the event Purchaser >> chooses to rescind for any of the grounds >> above provided, he shall give written or telegraphic notice to the Broker >> at >> Broker's place of business no later than >> _____________ , and if such notice not received by the Broker on or before >> such date, Purchaser will be deemed >> to have accepted the vessel. Failure by the Owner to complete the >> aforesaid, >> by the settlement date above, shall >> free the Purchaser of all obligation hereunder and shall entitle him to >> have >> returned all monies paid by him as deposit >> as provided by and subject to paragraph (8) >> >> Hope all that helps. >> >> Based on experience - get the survey done, starting with a sea trial and >> inspection of the mechanical systems before the boat is hauled. You will >> be >> liable for the expense of the survey and the haul, though you might be >> able >> to negotiate a discount on the cost of the haul depending on how badly >> they >> want to sell the boat. >> >> Any idea how long the boat has been for sale, or how anxious the owner is >> to >> sell? That could be a big factor in your offer price. >> >> Two friends who are both boat brokers have told me that, at least in the >> Carolinas and seemingly lower Virginia, older boats are frequently selling >> for about 1/2 to 2/3 the prices being asked on Yachtworld. They regard the >> Yachtworld pricing to be unrealistic in the current market, and think a >> lot >> of the boats there are ones that are overpriced and consequently have been >> sitting for a while. >> >> There is a really nice - bordering on immaculate - C&C 30 at the club >> where >> I keep my 25. The owner bought is early last summer for under $9k. There >> is >> also a late 70s C&C 30 in my area that is a solid boat that has had some >> recent upgrades but needs cosmetic attention and updated electronics. The >> seller is asking $9k, but has told me he actually hopes to get 8. >> >> IIRC, you said the boat you're looking at was on Yachtworld at $15,900, >> and >> you were thinking of offering $14. Have you considered offering something >> like 10 or 12? >> >> Boat brokers are probably a lot like real estate brokers, in that the >> asking >> price is higher than the desired closing price in order to allow >> negotiating >> room. The broker who recently sold my second home added 11% to the target >> closing price to establish the listing price. (And the real estate market >> is >> such that the final closing price was still 3% below the target.) >> >> If the boat broker added 10%, and the listing is for $15.9, then the >> desired >> selling price could be somewhere in the range of $14.5. >> >> If the owner has had the boat listed for a while, he may also be feeling >> the >> pressure of monthly dockage and insurance - which could easily be $2 or 3K >> if he fails to sell the boat in the next few months of the spring selling >> season. >> >> Consider that if you offer something lower - say $12 - one of two things >> can >> happen. They might counter and you can always negotiate up. Or they take >> it, >> you cover the cost of the survey and haul ( and maybe a part of your get >> ready expenses) as part of your perceived value of $14. >> >> As always, YMMV. >> >> >> Rick Brass >> Washington, NC >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. >> Mark >> Bodnar >> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer >> >> >> That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if something >> big >> comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move on. >> >> Any one know a good surveyor on Long Island? What about cost for a survey >> for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine? >> Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to get it pulled out >> to >> see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the brokers yard will charge >> me for that or if they do it to get the sale?? >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > -- Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
