Further reading: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/moisture_meter
Steve C&C 32 Toronto On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com>wrote: > RE: Moisture Meter > > The one I have is the CT33: > http://www.electrophysics.on.ca/no_pins.htm > > It does not eliminate the need for a survey. It just eliminates wet boats > saving you from hiring a surveyor to tell you that. > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM, dwight veinot < > dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote: > >> ** ** ** ** >> >> My experience has always been that the buyer hires the surveyor that he >> wants to do the job and therefore the buyer pays the survey charges. That >> survey is only done after the buyer and the seller have agreed on price. >> If the survey discovers issues that affect integrity or safety the buyer >> can request that the seller bring those issues to standards acceptable to >> his surveyor and then pay the agreed upon price or negotiate a lower price >> and take on doing the work after purchase. If the boat passes survey the >> survey report will be needed to get insurance. If the boat fails survey >> and no compromise can be reached and the buyer walks, then the buyer is >> still stuck with the survey charges because the surveyor did his job. Is >> it possible to get that money back from the seller if you walk away? I >> always considered getting a survey done on a boat a fair investment on that >> boat before I even own it so I did very thorough inspections myself before >> getting a surveyor, besides I wanted to see with my own I eyes what I was >> buying…those trips and surveys increase total cost to buy. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Dwight Veinot**** >> >> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna**** >> >> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS**** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck >> S >> *Sent:* April 7, 2013 10:12 PM >> >> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com** >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Lots of good advice. >> >> Insurance now requires a full survey that is expensive. If you decide >> not to buy this boat, the full survey cost is on you and you will pay the >> fee again on the next boat. Instead I would advise you make your offer, >> get a signed contract, but do a personal assessment of the boat yourself or >> with more knowledgable friend. >> Step 1: Sea Trial, You can determine many physical problems yourself. >> How does the engine and transmission operate, sails, halyards, deck >> layout. Lifelines and stanchions OK? Don't fall in love. Pick it apart. >> If nothing looks obvious, proceed to: >> Step 2: Haul out. You can check many things yourself; the bottom paint >> condition, check keel bottom for scrapes, grounding, check the keel root >> for signs of cracked glass where it meets the hull, feel the rudder bearing >> play, and prop wear, cutless bearing wear. If still good, proceed to: >> Step 3: Professional survey. Guarantee he will find problems, so expect >> a list. >> >> Once you get your list you can research what yards will charge to make >> repairs and deduct that from your offer or renegotiate. >> >> If you decide to walk away, offer to sell the complete survey to the >> owner. I've heard some owners have paid for it, some only paid half. It's >> worthless to you at this point, but will be valuable to a future buyer, so >> don't give it away. >> >> Good luck **** >> >> Chuck >> *Resolute* >> 1990 C&C 34R >> ****Atlantic City**, **NJ******** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"kirk sneddon" <kirksned...@optonline.net> >> *To: ***cnc-list@cnc-list.com** >> *Cc: *"k sneddon" <k.sned...@ardeinc.com> >> *Sent: *Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:31:34 PM >> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer >> >> When I bought my C&C, and sold my old boat the surveyor hired by the buyer >> was very good. >> >> I believe he was based in **Port Washington**. >> >> I think I have his contact info at my office. >> >> If the boat is closer to the east end of LI, Andrew Kinsey, is very good. >> I >> grew up racing Lasers and Sunfish against Andrew (usually loosing) I can >> chase down current contact info for him if it would be helpful. >> >> Let me know where on LI the boat is docked and I can get you some contact >> info. >> >> Kirk Sneddon >> C&C 29 Mk II , Flying Cloud >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. >> Mark >> Bodnar >> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM >> To: **cnc-list@cnc-list.com** >> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer >> >> >> That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if something >> big >> comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move on. >> >> Any one know a good surveyor on **Long Island**? What about cost for a >> survey >> for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine? >> Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to get it pulled out >> to >> see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the brokers yard will charge >> me for that or if they do it to get the sale?? >> >> Mark >> >> --------------------- >> Dr. Mark Bodnar >> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) >> ****Bedford**** Chiropractic >> www.bedfordchiro.ca >> --------------------- >> >> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. >> - George Santayana >> >> On 07/04/2013 5:13 PM, dwight veinot wrote: >> > The boat is worth what you are willing to pay for it...if you get it >> > at your offer price great, if not look for something else >> > >> > Dwight Veinot >> > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna >> > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of >> > Colin Kilgour >> > Sent: April 7, 2013 5:03 PM >> > To: **cnc-list@cnc-list.com** >> > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer >> > >> > In the states, everybody uses the YBAA form for offers. The selling >> > broker can provide the form. >> > >> > Putting a survey as a condition is bog standard. I've had it included >> > on boats where I didn't even end up doing a survey. >> > >> > I wouldn't expect a ton of movement on price as a result of a survey. >> > With a boat of that age and price point, if the survey turns up >> > something minor you might get some movement, but you might also get >> > "it's an old boat. deal with it". If a major item turns up (say a >> > wet deck) it probably just means that you walk away. >> > >> > Good luck with it. >> > >> > Cheers! >> > Colin >> > >> > >> > On 4/7/13, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Typically you make your offer contingent on survey. That can be as >> > detailed >> >> as you like; hull survey, engine survey, and you can add sea trials >> >> to >> > test >> >> systems. You are making the offer. If the owner accepts your offer, >> >> the >> > full >> >> price would be expected unless the survey finds things wrong. Once >> > problems >> >> are discovered, the owner can opt to fix them which is rare, or you >> >> can lower your offer to offset the cost of repairs. Your survey >> >> should help lower the offer to a "where-is, as-is" value cause the >> >> owner doesn't want >> > to >> >> fix anything and wants out. >> >> >> >> Be prepared for rejection. Make your offer low. If the owner accepts >> >> the first offer, you came in high. Research other vessels w similar >> >> equipment first. There are many 30's for sale on Yachtworld.com and >> >> there are other sites. >> >> >> >> >> >> Chuck >> >> Resolute >> >> 1990 C&C 34R >> >> ****Atlantic City**, **NJ**** >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Knowles Rich" <r...@sailpower.ca> >> >> To: **cnc-list@cnc-list.com** >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:11:51 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer >> >> >> >> Just make your offer, get the survey done and negotiate the repairs >> after. >> >> If you want to sit down over a coffee to discuss it, we can do that >> too. >> >> Sender a phone number off list if you like. It's Sunday and I have >> >> some time. >> >> >> >> Rich Knowles >> >> Indigo. LF38 >> >> ****Halifax**** >> >> >> >> On 2013-04-07, at 14:06, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> So I'm "negotiating" with the broker of the C&C 30 I've been looking >> at. >> > (He >> >> was away on vacation). >> >> >> >> I brought up a few issues with the boat and his response was "older >> >> boats have these issues, maybe you should look for a newer boat" -- >> >> Rather friendly chap it seems! >> >> >> >> I'm still looking at how to proceed. Overall the price of the boat is >> > quite >> >> good, with a few issues. Most issues cosmetic - but a couple >> >> potentially significant problems --- 1 chain plate looks a little >> >> corroded, and one section of deck that looks rough in the pictures >> >> (my contact who looked at the boat said it didn't feel soft, but he >> >> didn't try to tap it - starboard deck, right next to companionway) >> >> >> >> Having talked with my insurance agent I was advised that I would need >> >> to have the boat professional surveyed and all significant issues >> >> dealt with before it leaves the dock to head to ****Nova Scotia****. >> >> >> >> So - I've never done this part before. If I make an offer contingent >> >> on a survey, is there specific wording. Does anyone have a "contract" >> in >> hand? >> >> Any advice? >> >> I figure I'll make an offer of $14000, contingent on survey, but what >> > should >> >> I say about repairs? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> --------------------- >> >> Dr. Mark Bodnar >> >> ****B.Sc.**, **D.C.****, FCCOPR(C) >> >> ****Bedford**** Chiropractic >> >> www.bedfordchiro.ca >> >> --------------------- >> >> >> >> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. >> >> - George Santayana >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5730 - Release Date: 04/07/13 >> **** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> >> >
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