Thanks for all the info everyone. The boat is at the North eastern end of Long Island - Greenport. So yes, I'd like the contact info for Andrew Kinsey.
Rick - great info. Thanks for the detail. Interesting to hear the brokers comments on boat values. Locally similar boats are selling for a lot more (at least the Yachtworld and local classified listings). This boat has a new diesel as of 2000, so a give that value above a couple Atomic 4's I've seen listed for more $. But I will re-think my offer plan. I was thinking of offering $12K, but I guess I let the brokers comments shift my thinking. My understanding is that the owner wants to move up to a bigger boat. Missed out on the one he wanted last year because this boat didn't sell, so he's had this listed now since the fall. 5 months on the market already - if it was as good a deal as the broker thinks it would be gone already! That said, this boat is well priced against all the other C&C 30's I've found online. It is at the low end of price for listed boats, but with a 13yr old diesel, and good condition. Rick, if you want to sail that local 30 up the coast for a couple weeks to Nova Scotia then I might be interested in it! Chuck, unfortunately in my situation a survey is far cheaper than a personal sea trial. I live >500 from the boat, so my only real option is to get a good survey. In this case the broker appears to be the marina operator -Brewer Yacht Sales at Brewer Stirling Harbor Marina I'll make sure that I'm not eating dockage fees while I sort out how to get the boat home if the deal goes through. More to think about! Thanks again to everyone for all the advice. I'll let you all know what happens. Mark ---------------------- Dr. Mark Bodnar B.Sc. D.C. FCCPOR(c) www.bedfordchiro.ca ---------------------- “In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.” Bill Cosby On 2013-04-07, at 8:35 PM, Rick Brass <rickbr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Mark, > > In response to your original question, here is a copy of the wording that > appeared in my offer for Imzadi regarding the survey. This was part of a > preprinted offer form used by the broker in Norfolk, but I don't know if it > is the standard AYBA form that Colin referred to. > > In a paragraph labeled "Additional Provisions" this was added: > 1) Offer is subject to a survey as detailed in paragraph 3. > 2) Vessel as delivered to include all equipment as listed in the attached > description. > > Paragraph 3 says: > 3. This offer is made for the vessel "as is. where is" unless otherwise > provided by additional provision hereto. > subject to survey, if desired by Purchaser, by Purchaser's surveyor and at > Purchaser's expense (including hauling), > provided such survey is made on or before ________________ (If no survey is > desired by Purchaser, write "no > survey desired" in lieu of a date.) Purchaser may rescind this purchase > prior to settlement if such survey discloses > items missing, or requiring repairs or replacement, if such items are > essential to normal operation of the vessel, the > reasonable safety of persons on board having due regard for what is normal > for similar vessels, or for obtaining > normal financing and/or insurance or failure to supply, repair or replace > such items will materially reduce the value > of the vessel below the purchase price herein. In the event Purchaser > chooses to rescind for any of the grounds > above provided, he shall give written or telegraphic notice to the Broker at > Broker's place of business no later than > _____________ , and if such notice not received by the Broker on or before > such date, Purchaser will be deemed > to have accepted the vessel. Failure by the Owner to complete the aforesaid, > by the settlement date above, shall > free the Purchaser of all obligation hereunder and shall entitle him to have > returned all monies paid by him as deposit > as provided by and subject to paragraph (8) > > Hope all that helps. > > Based on experience - get the survey done, starting with a sea trial and > inspection of the mechanical systems before the boat is hauled. You will be > liable for the expense of the survey and the haul, though you might be able > to negotiate a discount on the cost of the haul depending on how badly they > want to sell the boat. > > Any idea how long the boat has been for sale, or how anxious the owner is to > sell? That could be a big factor in your offer price. > > Two friends who are both boat brokers have told me that, at least in the > Carolinas and seemingly lower Virginia, older boats are frequently selling > for about 1/2 to 2/3 the prices being asked on Yachtworld. They regard the > Yachtworld pricing to be unrealistic in the current market, and think a lot > of the boats there are ones that are overpriced and consequently have been > sitting for a while. > > There is a really nice - bordering on immaculate - C&C 30 at the club where > I keep my 25. The owner bought is early last summer for under $9k. There is > also a late 70s C&C 30 in my area that is a solid boat that has had some > recent upgrades but needs cosmetic attention and updated electronics. The > seller is asking $9k, but has told me he actually hopes to get 8. > > IIRC, you said the boat you're looking at was on Yachtworld at $15,900, and > you were thinking of offering $14. Have you considered offering something > like 10 or 12? > > Boat brokers are probably a lot like real estate brokers, in that the asking > price is higher than the desired closing price in order to allow negotiating > room. The broker who recently sold my second home added 11% to the target > closing price to establish the listing price. (And the real estate market is > such that the final closing price was still 3% below the target.) > > If the boat broker added 10%, and the listing is for $15.9, then the desired > selling price could be somewhere in the range of $14.5. > > If the owner has had the boat listed for a while, he may also be feeling the > pressure of monthly dockage and insurance - which could easily be $2 or 3K > if he fails to sell the boat in the next few months of the spring selling > season. > > Consider that if you offer something lower - say $12 - one of two things can > happen. They might counter and you can always negotiate up. Or they take it, > you cover the cost of the survey and haul ( and maybe a part of your get > ready expenses) as part of your perceived value of $14. > > As always, YMMV. > > > Rick Brass > Washington, NC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark > Bodnar > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > > > That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if something big > comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move on. > > Any one know a good surveyor on Long Island? What about cost for a survey > for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine? > Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to get it pulled out to > see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the brokers yard will charge > me for that or if they do it to get the sale?? > > Mark > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
