I don't think they are physically hard to use, however, meaningful interpretation of the readings may be another matter.
Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-04-09, at 9:47, Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> wrote: I never had any trouble using mine, what people deem so difficult about using them I'm not sure. The mastercraft one is a quarter of the cost, go ahead and try it and report back. I'de be curious to see how it measures up against the CT33. On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote: > Don > > I asked on the Canadian Tire website a similar question about that product a > few months ago. They finally answered and say it is similar to CT33 because > it ises a similar inductance method. At half price at $45 I think it is > worth a try anyway. > > You should also be aware that these meters are not all that easy to use. I > borrowed Graham's Electrophysics meter (CT100 I believe) and within 10 > minutes realized I had no clue how to use it properly. > > Mike > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Don Harben > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 9:31 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - Pinless Moisture Detector > > Hi folks, > This has been a very useful discussion for me but especially for my friend > currently looking at boats. > > Does anybody have comments or experience on this Pinless Moisture Detector? > > http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/6/Tools/MeasuringTools/SpecialtyMeasuring/PRD~0574572P/Mastercraft+Pinless+Moisture+Detector.jsp?locale=en > > Don > > From: Stevan Plavsa <stevanpla...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Monday, April 8, 2013 2:02:56 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > > RE: Moisture Meter > > The one I have is the CT33: > http://www.electrophysics.on.ca/no_pins.htm > > It does not eliminate the need for a survey. It just eliminates wet boats > saving you from hiring a surveyor to tell you that. > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca> > wrote: > My experience has always been that the buyer hires the surveyor that he wants > to do the job and therefore the buyer pays the survey charges. That > survey is only done after the buyer and the seller have agreed on price. > If the survey discovers issues that affect integrity or safety the buyer can > request that the seller bring those issues to standards acceptable to his > surveyor and then pay the agreed upon price or negotiate a lower price and > take on doing the work after purchase. If the boat passes survey the survey > report will be needed to get insurance. If the boat fails survey and no > compromise can be reached and the buyer walks, then the buyer is still stuck > with the survey charges because the surveyor did his job. Is it possible to > get that money back from the seller if you walk away? I always considered > getting a survey done on a boat a fair investment on that boat before I even > own it so I did very thorough inspections myself before getting a surveyor, > besides I wanted to see with my own I eyes what I was buying…those trips > and surveys increase total cost to buy. > > Dwight Veinot > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S > Sent: April 7, 2013 10:12 PM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > > Lots of good advice. > > Insurance now requires a full survey that is expensive. If you decide > not to buy this boat, the full survey cost is on you and you will pay the fee > again on the next boat. Instead I would advise you make your offer, get a > signed contract, but do a personal assessment of the boat yourself or with > more knowledgable friend. > Step 1: Sea Trial, You can determine many physical problems yourself. How > does the engine and transmission operate, sails, halyards, deck layout. > Lifelines and stanchions OK? Don't fall in love. Pick it apart. If nothing > looks obvious, proceed to: > Step 2: Haul out. You can check many things yourself; the bottom paint > condition, check keel bottom for scrapes, grounding, check the keel root for > signs of cracked glass where it meets the hull, feel the rudder bearing play, > and prop wear, cutless bearing wear. If still good, proceed to: > Step 3: Professional survey. Guarantee he will find problems, so expect a > list. > > Once you get your list you can research what yards will charge to make > repairs and deduct that from your offer or renegotiate. > > If you decide to walk away, offer to sell the complete survey to the owner. > I've heard some owners have paid for it, some only paid half. It's worthless > to you at this point, but will be valuable to a future buyer, so don't give > it away. > > Good luck > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > From: "kirk sneddon" <kirksned...@optonline.net> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: "k sneddon" <k.sned...@ardeinc.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:31:34 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > > When I bought my C&C, and sold my old boat the surveyor hired by the buyer > was very good. > > I believe he was based in Port Washington. > > I think I have his contact info at my office. > > If the boat is closer to the east end of LI, Andrew Kinsey, is very good. I > grew up racing Lasers and Sunfish against Andrew (usually loosing) I can > chase down current contact info for him if it would be helpful. > > Let me know where on LI the boat is docked and I can get you some contact > info. > > Kirk Sneddon > C&C 29 Mk II , Flying Cloud > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Mark > Bodnar > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > > > That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if something big > comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move on. > > Any one know a good surveyor on Long Island? What about cost for a survey > for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine? > Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to get it pulled out to > see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the brokers yard will charge > me for that or if they do it to get the sale?? > > Mark > > --------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > Bedford Chiropractic > www.bedfordchiro.ca > --------------------- > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana > > On 07/04/2013 5:13 PM, dwight veinot wrote: > > The boat is worth what you are willing to pay for it...if you get it > > at your offer price great, if not look for something else > > > > Dwight Veinot > > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > > Colin Kilgour > > Sent: April 7, 2013 5:03 PM > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > > > > In the states, everybody uses the YBAA form for offers. The selling > > broker can provide the form. > > > > Putting a survey as a condition is bog standard. I've had it included > > on boats where I didn't even end up doing a survey. > > > > I wouldn't expect a ton of movement on price as a result of a survey. > > With a boat of that age and price point, if the survey turns up > > something minor you might get some movement, but you might also get > > "it's an old boat. deal with it". If a major item turns up (say a > > wet deck) it probably just means that you walk away. > > > > Good luck with it. > > > > Cheers! > > Colin > > > > > > On 4/7/13, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Typically you make your offer contingent on survey. That can be as > > detailed > >> as you like; hull survey, engine survey, and you can add sea trials > >> to > > test > >> systems. You are making the offer. If the owner accepts your offer, > >> the > > full > >> price would be expected unless the survey finds things wrong. Once > > problems > >> are discovered, the owner can opt to fix them which is rare, or you > >> can lower your offer to offset the cost of repairs. Your survey > >> should help lower the offer to a "where-is, as-is" value cause the > >> owner doesn't want > > to > >> fix anything and wants out. > >> > >> Be prepared for rejection. Make your offer low. If the owner accepts > >> the first offer, you came in high. Research other vessels w similar > >> equipment first. There are many 30's for sale on Yachtworld.com and > >> there are other sites. > >> > >> > >> Chuck > >> Resolute > >> 1990 C&C 34R > >> Atlantic City, NJ > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Knowles Rich" <r...@sailpower.ca> > >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > >> Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:11:51 PM > >> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > >> > >> Just make your offer, get the survey done and negotiate the repairs > after. > >> If you want to sit down over a coffee to discuss it, we can do that too. > >> Sender a phone number off list if you like. It's Sunday and I have > >> some time. > >> > >> Rich Knowles > >> Indigo. LF38 > >> Halifax > >> > >> On 2013-04-07, at 14:06, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> So I'm "negotiating" with the broker of the C&C 30 I've been looking at. > > (He > >> was away on vacation). > >> > >> I brought up a few issues with the boat and his response was "older > >> boats have these issues, maybe you should look for a newer boat" -- > >> Rather friendly chap it seems! > >> > >> I'm still looking at how to proceed. Overall the price of the boat is > > quite > >> good, with a few issues. Most issues cosmetic - but a couple > >> potentially significant problems --- 1 chain plate looks a little > >> corroded, and one section of deck that looks rough in the pictures > >> (my contact who looked at the boat said it didn't feel soft, but he > >> didn't try to tap it - starboard deck, right next to companionway) > >> > >> Having talked with my insurance agent I was advised that I would need > >> to have the boat professional surveyed and all significant issues > >> dealt with before it leaves the dock to head to Nova Scotia. > >> > >> So - I've never done this part before. If I make an offer contingent > >> on a survey, is there specific wording. Does anyone have a "contract" in > hand? > >> Any advice? > >> I figure I'll make an offer of $14000, contingent on survey, but what > > should > >> I say about repairs? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> --------------------- > >> Dr. Mark Bodnar > >> B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > >> Bedford Chiropractic > >> www.bedfordchiro.ca > >> --------------------- > >> > >> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > >> - George Santayana > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5730 - Release Date: 04/07/13 > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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