RE: Moisture Meter The one I have is the CT33: http://www.electrophysics.on.ca/no_pins.htm
It does not eliminate the need for a survey. It just eliminates wet boats saving you from hiring a surveyor to tell you that. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:01 AM, dwight veinot <dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca > wrote: > ** ** ** ** > > My experience has always been that the buyer hires the surveyor that he > wants to do the job and therefore the buyer pays the survey charges. That > survey is only done after the buyer and the seller have agreed on price. > If the survey discovers issues that affect integrity or safety the buyer > can request that the seller bring those issues to standards acceptable to > his surveyor and then pay the agreed upon price or negotiate a lower price > and take on doing the work after purchase. If the boat passes survey the > survey report will be needed to get insurance. If the boat fails survey > and no compromise can be reached and the buyer walks, then the buyer is > still stuck with the survey charges because the surveyor did his job. Is > it possible to get that money back from the seller if you walk away? I > always considered getting a survey done on a boat a fair investment on that > boat before I even own it so I did very thorough inspections myself before > getting a surveyor, besides I wanted to see with my own I eyes what I was > buying…those trips and surveys increase total cost to buy. **** > > ** ** > > Dwight Veinot**** > > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna**** > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS**** > > ** ** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck > S > *Sent:* April 7, 2013 10:12 PM > > *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com** > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > **** > > ** ** > > Lots of good advice. > > Insurance now requires a full survey that is expensive. If you decide not > to buy this boat, the full survey cost is on you and you will pay the fee > again on the next boat. Instead I would advise you make your offer, get a > signed contract, but do a personal assessment of the boat yourself or with > more knowledgable friend. > Step 1: Sea Trial, You can determine many physical problems yourself. How > does the engine and transmission operate, sails, halyards, deck layout. > Lifelines and stanchions OK? Don't fall in love. Pick it apart. If > nothing looks obvious, proceed to: > Step 2: Haul out. You can check many things yourself; the bottom paint > condition, check keel bottom for scrapes, grounding, check the keel root > for signs of cracked glass where it meets the hull, feel the rudder bearing > play, and prop wear, cutless bearing wear. If still good, proceed to: > Step 3: Professional survey. Guarantee he will find problems, so expect a > list. > > Once you get your list you can research what yards will charge to make > repairs and deduct that from your offer or renegotiate. > > If you decide to walk away, offer to sell the complete survey to the > owner. I've heard some owners have paid for it, some only paid half. It's > worthless to you at this point, but will be valuable to a future buyer, so > don't give it away. > > Good luck **** > > Chuck > *Resolute* > 1990 C&C 34R > ****Atlantic City**, **NJ******** > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"kirk sneddon" <kirksned...@optonline.net> > *To: ***cnc-list@cnc-list.com** > *Cc: *"k sneddon" <k.sned...@ardeinc.com> > *Sent: *Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:31:34 PM > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > > When I bought my C&C, and sold my old boat the surveyor hired by the buyer > was very good. > > I believe he was based in **Port Washington**. > > I think I have his contact info at my office. > > If the boat is closer to the east end of LI, Andrew Kinsey, is very good. I > grew up racing Lasers and Sunfish against Andrew (usually loosing) I can > chase down current contact info for him if it would be helpful. > > Let me know where on LI the boat is docked and I can get you some contact > info. > > Kirk Sneddon > C&C 29 Mk II , Flying Cloud > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dr. > Mark > Bodnar > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 6:02 PM > To: **cnc-list@cnc-list.com** > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > > > That's pretty much what I'm thinking - I'll make an offer, if something big > comes up and they don't want to fix it then I'll move on. > > Any one know a good surveyor on **Long Island**? What about cost for a > survey > for a 30' boat - inc rigging and engine? > Boat is currently in the water, so I'll likely have to get it pulled out to > see the bottom and keel as well. Not sure if the brokers yard will charge > me for that or if they do it to get the sale?? > > Mark > > --------------------- > Dr. Mark Bodnar > B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C) > ****Bedford**** Chiropractic > www.bedfordchiro.ca > --------------------- > > There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > - George Santayana > > On 07/04/2013 5:13 PM, dwight veinot wrote: > > The boat is worth what you are willing to pay for it...if you get it > > at your offer price great, if not look for something else > > > > Dwight Veinot > > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of > > Colin Kilgour > > Sent: April 7, 2013 5:03 PM > > To: **cnc-list@cnc-list.com** > > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > > > > In the states, everybody uses the YBAA form for offers. The selling > > broker can provide the form. > > > > Putting a survey as a condition is bog standard. I've had it included > > on boats where I didn't even end up doing a survey. > > > > I wouldn't expect a ton of movement on price as a result of a survey. > > With a boat of that age and price point, if the survey turns up > > something minor you might get some movement, but you might also get > > "it's an old boat. deal with it". If a major item turns up (say a > > wet deck) it probably just means that you walk away. > > > > Good luck with it. > > > > Cheers! > > Colin > > > > > > On 4/7/13, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Typically you make your offer contingent on survey. That can be as > > detailed > >> as you like; hull survey, engine survey, and you can add sea trials > >> to > > test > >> systems. You are making the offer. If the owner accepts your offer, > >> the > > full > >> price would be expected unless the survey finds things wrong. Once > > problems > >> are discovered, the owner can opt to fix them which is rare, or you > >> can lower your offer to offset the cost of repairs. Your survey > >> should help lower the offer to a "where-is, as-is" value cause the > >> owner doesn't want > > to > >> fix anything and wants out. > >> > >> Be prepared for rejection. Make your offer low. If the owner accepts > >> the first offer, you came in high. Research other vessels w similar > >> equipment first. There are many 30's for sale on Yachtworld.com and > >> there are other sites. > >> > >> > >> Chuck > >> Resolute > >> 1990 C&C 34R > >> ****Atlantic City**, **NJ**** > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Knowles Rich" <r...@sailpower.ca> > >> To: **cnc-list@cnc-list.com** > >> Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2013 3:11:51 PM > >> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 - cont - how to make an offer > >> > >> Just make your offer, get the survey done and negotiate the repairs > after. > >> If you want to sit down over a coffee to discuss it, we can do that too. > >> Sender a phone number off list if you like. It's Sunday and I have > >> some time. > >> > >> Rich Knowles > >> Indigo. LF38 > >> ****Halifax**** > >> > >> On 2013-04-07, at 14:06, "Dr. Mark Bodnar" <drbod...@accesswave.ca> > wrote: > >> > >> > >> So I'm "negotiating" with the broker of the C&C 30 I've been looking at. > > (He > >> was away on vacation). > >> > >> I brought up a few issues with the boat and his response was "older > >> boats have these issues, maybe you should look for a newer boat" -- > >> Rather friendly chap it seems! > >> > >> I'm still looking at how to proceed. Overall the price of the boat is > > quite > >> good, with a few issues. Most issues cosmetic - but a couple > >> potentially significant problems --- 1 chain plate looks a little > >> corroded, and one section of deck that looks rough in the pictures > >> (my contact who looked at the boat said it didn't feel soft, but he > >> didn't try to tap it - starboard deck, right next to companionway) > >> > >> Having talked with my insurance agent I was advised that I would need > >> to have the boat professional surveyed and all significant issues > >> dealt with before it leaves the dock to head to ****Nova Scotia****. > >> > >> So - I've never done this part before. If I make an offer contingent > >> on a survey, is there specific wording. Does anyone have a "contract" in > hand? > >> Any advice? > >> I figure I'll make an offer of $14000, contingent on survey, but what > > should > >> I say about repairs? > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> --------------------- > >> Dr. Mark Bodnar > >> ****B.Sc.**, **D.C.****, FCCOPR(C) > >> ****Bedford**** Chiropractic > >> www.bedfordchiro.ca > >> --------------------- > >> > >> There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval. > >> - George Santayana > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > >> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com**** > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5730 - Release Date: 04/07/13* > *** > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >
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