Yes, I totally buy this.. I like builds.a.o. My primary concern was over scripts. :) I only have so many hours in the day. Good news is.. I think builds will cover this now and in the future..
On Feb 3, 2011, at 7:46 PM, "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote: > It is product names of external products we no longer want in any > sub-domains, that includes Hudson and Jenkins, nothing to do with trademarks > and certainly nothing to do with Oracle, we are following Koshukes code as a > choice by the community and we have committers involved with that direction. > So again, no trademark law involved in the decision at all and your expansion > of and original mail was not required nor relevant. This is a list regarding > build systems at the ASF, any other discussions belong elsewhere. > > Gav... > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, 4 February 2011 9:35 AM >> To: builds@apache.org >> Subject: Re: Questions : install Jenkins instead of Hudson >> >> OK, I'll expand. Based on all the reading I've done about trademark >> law, inside and outside of the ASF, I think that it is utterly >> far-fetched to worry about the idea that Oracle will assert some sort >> of trademark infringement if we have a domain name of >> hudson.apache.org for any purpose in creation except promote some >> other CI system. And I cannot see a running instance of Jenkins as a >> 'promotion'. So I claim that the trademark business is not relevant, >> and we can have hudson.apache.org as a transitional convenience as >> look as we like. >> >> I apologize if you would have preferred this full form from the >> outset, and we can always trot over to legal-discuss if you have a >> contrary view. >> >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Gav... <ga...@16degrees.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Friday, 4 February 2011 8:46 AM >>>> To: builds@apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: Questions : install Jenkins instead of Hudson >>>> >>>> Folks, by all means choose another name, but please don't drag >>>> 'trademark' into it. >>> >>> Excuse me? How did this sentence help the conversation? >>> >>> Gav... >>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Actually, the reason Apache chose the "jakarta" project is because >>>> they >>>>> didn't want to use "java" in the subdomain name. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Scott O'Bryan >> <darkar...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Not sure it's been trademarked, but if it has, I'm pretty sure >> that >>>> it >>>>>> doesn't apply to subdomains. I'm okay with migrating the domain >>>> name, >>>>>> but there should be a grace period. >>>>>> >>>>>> Either way, the redirect will make sure the Jenkins name shows up >>>> for >>>>>> everyone who cares .. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Paul Benedict <pbened...@apache.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd say get rid of hudsdon.a.o all together because Oracle is >>>> claiming >>>>>> the >>>>>>> name as a trademark. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Jan Matèrne <apa...@materne.de> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 for Jenkins >>>>>>>> +1 for redirecting hudson.a.o to jenkins.ao >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And "mark hudson.a.o as deprecated". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>>>>>>>> Von: Nicolas Lalevée [mailto:nicolas.lale...@hibnet.org] >>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. Februar 2011 17:21 >>>>>>>>> An: builds@apache.org >>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: Questions : install Jenkins instead of Hudson >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +1 for jenkins >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for the host name I think we should have only one official >> url. >>>> Then >>>>>>>>> which one I don't care that much. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nicolas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 3 févr. 2011 à 17:08, Nigel Daley a écrit : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 for Jenkins. +1 for a redirect. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nige >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Niklas Gustavsson >>>>>>>>> <nik...@protocol7.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Olivier Lamy >>>> <ol...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> * which code branch do we have to follow ( Jenkins or >> Oracle >>>> : >>>>>>>>> IMHO >>>>>>>>>>>>> the most active is the Jenkins one) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Time will tell, but I'm betting on the Jenkins branch. >>>> Jenkins has >>>>>>>>>>>> released a 1.396 release which contains a fix for JNPL >> slaves >>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> reconnecting correctly. This is a problem we currently >> have >>>> with >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>> Windows slave and that I would see fixed. So, unless >> anyone >>>>>>>>> objects, I >>>>>>>>>>>> will look into upgrading to Jenkins 1.396 in the near >> future. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * do we have to rename hudson.apache.org to >>>> jenkins.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, this has low priority. The major reason for >>>> renaming >>>>>>>>>>>> would probably be to make a stand in the Hudson vs Jenkins >>>>>>>>> situation. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> :-) why not a redirect from hudson.a.o to jenkins.a.o ? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Matthias >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> /niklas >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>>>>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> > >
