On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 5:44 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
> Lessee.... I was trying to be ridiculous, but I feel a bit of an impulse
> to provide some serious counterpoint here, this is bound to be a bad idea:
>
> “Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of
> government control with: book bans, white washing history, controlling
> women's Healthcare, trying to ban same sex marriage, forcing religion
> (specifically Christianity) into public schools, threatening to imprison
> the media and people who speak out against them. “
>
> *Book Bans*. Yes, grade school kids do not need books describing gay
> anal rape etc. Kids need to be allowed to grow up protected from the
> gritty truths of the world. Book bans are necessary to prevent greater
> harm.
>
Book bans cover more than these sensationalist topics, reasonable people
can agree not all books should be in a school library.
>
> *White washing history*. History is there for the reading, more content
> and transparency than ever before. What has been labeled “white washing”
> is in reality an attempt to bring balance to the narrative in public
> schools. If you keep teaching “whitey is bad” then how do you ever expect
> people to be allowed to change? The pendulum swings.
>
Critical race theory and some similar things are a bit out of control IMO.
This definitely depends on the school you attend, they never taught this
stuff at my school (I'm pretty sure they still don't teach it there).
>
> *Controlling women’s healthcare*. Call it what it really is,
> Abortion. And for the majority of the world Abortion == Murder of an
> innocent child. This will never change. So don’t “whitewash” it by
> calling murder “health care”. Almost all sides understand there are
> medically necessary abortions and most are not arguing about those. This
> is a red herring. Moreover Trump said it is a states rights thing, he is
> right. Read the constitution, anything not explicitly delineated or
> enumerated in the constitution is delegated to the control of the states.
> Don’t like what your state is doing, work to change it there.
>
The argument that it is a child carries a ton of religious baggage. I
would agree that it should be a state decision - many in the Republican
party do not agree. There are also many other reproductive issues that fall
into grey areas when abortion is outlawed.
>
> *Religion into schools*: Our whole legal system, actually the legal
> system of the entire western world is derived from Exodus chapter 20. The
> 10 commandments. Putting the original codified law, the list governing
> behavior is not an injection of Christianity into the world of your
> precious little liberals kiddies. It is a display of the origins of
> western civilization. And the fact that supposedly believe in the “Rule of
> Law” What better exhibit than to display the origin of that.
>
I think you can teach kids the facts about religion without indoctrination,
again I think this varies based on school district.
>
> Who is imprisoning media personalities? You mean like Biden having the
> FBI force Facebook and Twitter to silence and block their critics?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 4:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
>
> Very well stated.
>
> I hope both political parties can get closer to center in the next few
> years (this is the only way our democracy can function properly), but I'm
> not holding my breath. The current situation with the Republican party is
> only going to make things worse on both sides of the aisle.
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 4:26 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think you're drinking the conspiracy kool-aid with this claim. I'm 33
>> and when I was in school, they needed permission to provide me something
>> small like Tylenol. I have family members who are teachers and kids in our
>> family from elementary to highschool. I'm also in Minnesota which has been
>> blue for a long time.
>>
>> There is absolutely zero truth to kids being secretly helped to
>> transition with meds or operations. The claim is absurd.
>>
>> The claim that people support secret transition operations is also
>> absurd. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative and this is not
>> anything I would support. I doubt you'll find any sane adult that supports
>> this. That means the democratic party absolutely does not support this
>> either.
>>
>> What I and most of the party does support is talking with kids who feel
>> their gender doesn't match the way they were born. This means therapy,
>> counseling, consultations with a doctor to talk through everything. Parents
>> should be involved in the conversations if the child wants to do anything
>> more than talk. Things like medications and such should not be provided
>> without parental and doctor involvement. Again, there is ZERO evidence of
>> schools providing any sort of medical treatment, prescriptions, or
>> operations in secret to kids. Any such claim to the contrary is absurd.
>> They don't have enough money for class supplies as it is.
>>
>> What I do support is the school keeping the gender identity and sexuality
>> private from parents IF the child feels the parents will be abusive to them
>> if they come out. There's plenty of examples of strict or religious parents
>> who would abuse or kick out a child if they came out as trans or LGBT. The
>> privacy protection is something I'm onboard with. Anything more than
>> counseling should not be allowed until parents are involved and a doctor
>> agrees with any plans. Ideally, no physical operations will happen until
>> they're 18 under any circumstances.
>>
>> This is my opinion as a slightly left of center voter. Republicans should
>> be in full support of these views as the self proclaimed "freedom party".
>> Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of government
>> control with: book bans, white washing history, controlling women's
>> Healthcare, trying to ban same sex marriage, forcing religion (specifically
>> Christianity) into public schools, threatening to imprison the media and
>> people who speak out against them. Republicans are not about freedom
>> anymore since Trump became popular. I hope once he's done with his second
>> term that the party can return to normal.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 5:55 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> K-12 schools I am familiar with won't give out a Tylenol without parents
>>> permission, I'm not sure if they can apply a bandaid. So I'm skeptical
>>> about the meds part.
>>>
>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>> From: ch...@go-mtc.com
>>> Sent: 12/10/2024 1:28:27 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
>>>
>>> OK, how can I strengthen the analogy? I kinda want it to have a bit of
>>> a gotcha effect.
>>> I am purposely trying to be a bit vague as to practitioner and meds.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 12:07 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
>>>
>>>
>>> That's why context is so important. "Practitioner" is pretty subjective,
>>> as is "meds". What if the meds were LSD, methamphetamine, psilocybin,
>>> morphine? What if the practitioner were RFK Jr?
>>>
>>> Analogy is weak.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 12/10/2024 9:17 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Does this idea work:
>>> Say the school observes/detects a certain trait in your kid. The kid
>>> seemingly agrees with the people at the school. They think that if they
>>> can get the kid treatment, the kid will be much happier and relaxed.
>>>
>>> So they pursue some counseling for the kid and help the kid obtain some
>>> treatment meds from a practitioner.
>>> All without the knowledge of the parents.
>>> Seemingly the kid is happier and more well adjusted. They become
>>> gregarious and outgoing and find it easier to find friends.
>>> Nobody seems to tell the kid or be worried about the long term physical
>>> and mental effects.
>>>
>>> Some folks in this nation think this is totally OK.
>>> All for the kid right.
>>>
>>> Now, a few details I left out:
>>>
>>> The teacher thinks the kid might be an alcoholic. There is some science
>>> that hints that alcholism is genetic. The school thinks that it might be
>>> helpful for the kid to explore the world of alcohol. They give the kid
>>> some books on mixology etc. So they set up a kid bar with a bar tender to
>>> give them their meds during the day. Spectacular results right.
>>>
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