With deep fakes it is a constant cesspool of sketchy content. Alternate or
alternative facts are constantly before us. I guess it is a form of anarchy.
Strange new world.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2024 12:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
Kind of what I've been coming to the conclusion of.
The problem is that the truth has no value. What has value is your attention
(or lack thereof). Advertisers pay for attention, but they do not pay for the
truth.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 12/11/2024 6:46 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Yeah, there is the myth that if you just throw all the information out there
the truth will rise to the top. In reality the truth just gets buried in the BS.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2024, 6:35 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
It’s great that the Internet gives us access to so much information and
communication, but we’re not ready for it.
I was talking on quora to a person I will generously describe as a vaccine
skeptic. He absorbed a lot of information he didn’t understand and built a lot
of conclusions on top of that scaffolding. Spouting off about carcinogenic DNA
and various other nonsense he got off the Internet somewhere. If he said all
this stuff at a cocktail party, people would give him weird looks, avoid him,
and if he got weird enough they’d ask him to leave. On the Internet he’s
insulated from almost any social cues telling him he sounds crazy, and he’ll
connect with people and sources which reinforce all of his beliefs.
It’s gotten so bad that boloney from the Internet is influencing public
policy. The whole “eating the cats” thing ultimately stemmed from rumors on
twitter, and spread to the point where it came up in all seriousness at a
presidential debate. Someone has certainly eaten a cat somewhere, but it’s not
an actual trait or practice among Hatian immigrants. Nobody has managed to
track down a first hand account, and authorities aren’t seeing reports of it.
I’m not picking on Trump, he’s one example among millions, and I doubt any of
us are immune. To try to piss off as many people as possible: a left wing
example is the bad actions of some police officers being amplified and
projected onto all police officers. And yeah, the overemphasis on trans
people, who are a minuscule minority of people, is fueled by the Internet.
In the late 90’s, when I started in tech support, we used to joke about our
technically impaired customers needing an Internet license. We meant they
didn’t have the knowledge to use the computer, but maybe we need to resurrect
the idea as a serious answer. No Internet for you until you can demonstrate
understanding that memes are not news, anything on social media is bullshit
until proven otherwise, reddit is not research, reading the title of a study
doesn’t mean you understand anything about it, and people can post and repost
anything no matter how wrong it is.
Either that or we shut the whole thing down. Maybe we peaked at “I can haz
cheezburger” and it’s been downhill ever since.
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Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 8:33:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
I blame energy drinks and internet porn. We didn’t have these problems
when we were limited to a purloined playboy.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 10, 2024, at 6:31 PM, Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
I’ve never understood why devoutly religious people have the biggest
problem with gender dysphoric people. Surely God made them that way, and God
does not make mistakes. That’s not me saying that, I have a loosey goosey
relationship with organized religion. But that’s how I imagine deeply
religious people thinking. Like maybe Sheldon’s mom?
If you’ve ever known a transgender person, the people who say it’s just
men who decide to become women so they can go in the womens bathroom and
assault women, that seems simplistic and mean spirited. Or whenever I hear the
term “lifestyle”, I know it’s talking points time. Like people who choose the
gay lifestyle. Why do we never near about choosing the asshole lifestyle? I’m
not sure we can blame God for that one, it does seem like a lifestyle choice.
Not targeting any of these comments at you, BTW.
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 6:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
I apologize for starting this thread. I was just wanting to put a bit of
polish on my purposely provocative analogy. I still think it a fun thought
having teachers help kids come out and admit they are alcoholics. I can see
this being an SNL skit. Maybe they will pay me lotsa money for writing this
skit for them.... (see, you do not have to be trans to be delusional).
Ken, I prefer the term “cross dresser”... My kids also had friends that
felt they were some how born wrong. But with them the kids just became butch
lesbians and are seemingly happy. We run into them now and then.
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 5:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 5:44 PM <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
Lessee.... I was trying to be ridiculous, but I feel a bit of an
impulse to provide some serious counterpoint here, this is bound to be a bad
idea:
“Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of
government control with: book bans, white washing history, controlling women's
Healthcare, trying to ban same sex marriage, forcing religion (specifically
Christianity) into public schools, threatening to imprison the media and people
who speak out against them. “
Book Bans. Yes, grade school kids do not need books describing gay
anal rape etc. Kids need to be allowed to grow up protected from the gritty
truths of the world. Book bans are necessary to prevent greater harm.
Book bans cover more than these sensationalist topics, reasonable people
can agree not all books should be in a school library.
White washing history. History is there for the reading, more content
and transparency than ever before. What has been labeled “white washing” is in
reality an attempt to bring balance to the narrative in public schools. If you
keep teaching “whitey is bad” then how do you ever expect people to be allowed
to change? The pendulum swings.
Critical race theory and some similar things are a bit out of control
IMO. This definitely depends on the school you attend, they never taught this
stuff at my school (I'm pretty sure they still don't teach it there).
Controlling women’s healthcare. Call it what it really is, Abortion.
And for the majority of the world Abortion == Murder of an innocent child.
This will never change. So don’t “whitewash” it by calling murder “health
care”. Almost all sides understand there are medically necessary abortions and
most are not arguing about those. This is a red herring. Moreover Trump said
it is a states rights thing, he is right. Read the constitution, anything not
explicitly delineated or enumerated in the constitution is delegated to the
control of the states. Don’t like what your state is doing, work to change it
there.
The argument that it is a child carries a ton of religious baggage. I
would agree that it should be a state decision - many in the Republican party
do not agree. There are also many other reproductive issues that fall into grey
areas when abortion is outlawed.
Religion into schools: Our whole legal system, actually the legal
system of the entire western world is derived from Exodus chapter 20. The 10
commandments. Putting the original codified law, the list governing behavior
is not an injection of Christianity into the world of your precious little
liberals kiddies. It is a display of the origins of western civilization. And
the fact that supposedly believe in the “Rule of Law” What better exhibit than
to display the origin of that.
I think you can teach kids the facts about religion without
indoctrination, again I think this varies based on school district.
Who is imprisoning media personalities? You mean like Biden having the
FBI force Facebook and Twitter to silence and block their critics?
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 4:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
Very well stated.
I hope both political parties can get closer to center in the next few
years (this is the only way our democracy can function properly), but I'm not
holding my breath. The current situation with the Republican party is only
going to make things worse on both sides of the aisle.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 4:26 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:
I think you're drinking the conspiracy kool-aid with this claim. I'm
33 and when I was in school, they needed permission to provide me something
small like Tylenol. I have family members who are teachers and kids in our
family from elementary to highschool. I'm also in Minnesota which has been blue
for a long time.
There is absolutely zero truth to kids being secretly helped to
transition with meds or operations. The claim is absurd.
The claim that people support secret transition operations is also
absurd. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative and this is not anything
I would support. I doubt you'll find any sane adult that supports this. That
means the democratic party absolutely does not support this either.
What I and most of the party does support is talking with kids who
feel their gender doesn't match the way they were born. This means therapy,
counseling, consultations with a doctor to talk through everything. Parents
should be involved in the conversations if the child wants to do anything more
than talk. Things like medications and such should not be provided without
parental and doctor involvement. Again, there is ZERO evidence of schools
providing any sort of medical treatment, prescriptions, or operations in secret
to kids. Any such claim to the contrary is absurd. They don't have enough money
for class supplies as it is.
What I do support is the school keeping the gender identity and
sexuality private from parents IF the child feels the parents will be abusive
to them if they come out. There's plenty of examples of strict or religious
parents who would abuse or kick out a child if they came out as trans or LGBT.
The privacy protection is something I'm onboard with. Anything more than
counseling should not be allowed until parents are involved and a doctor agrees
with any plans. Ideally, no physical operations will happen until they're 18
under any circumstances.
This is my opinion as a slightly left of center voter. Republicans
should be in full support of these views as the self proclaimed "freedom
party". Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of
government control with: book bans, white washing history, controlling women's
Healthcare, trying to ban same sex marriage, forcing religion (specifically
Christianity) into public schools, threatening to imprison the media and people
who speak out against them. Republicans are not about freedom anymore since
Trump became popular. I hope once he's done with his second term that the party
can return to normal.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 5:55 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
K-12 schools I am familiar with won't give out a Tylenol without
parents permission, I'm not sure if they can apply a bandaid. So I'm skeptical
about the meds part.
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From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 12/10/2024 1:28:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
OK, how can I strengthen the analogy? I kinda want it to have a
bit of a gotcha effect.
I am purposely trying to be a bit vague as to practitioner and
meds.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 12:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
That's why context is so important. "Practitioner" is pretty
subjective, as is "meds". What if the meds were LSD, methamphetamine,
psilocybin, morphine? What if the practitioner were RFK Jr?
Analogy is weak.
bp<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 12/10/2024 9:17 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
Does this idea work:
Say the school observes/detects a certain trait in your kid. The
kid seemingly agrees with the people at the school. They think that if they
can get the kid treatment, the kid will be much happier and relaxed.
So they pursue some counseling for the kid and help the kid
obtain some treatment meds from a practitioner.
All without the knowledge of the parents.
Seemingly the kid is happier and more well adjusted. They become
gregarious and outgoing and find it easier to find friends.
Nobody seems to tell the kid or be worried about the long term
physical and mental effects.
Some folks in this nation think this is totally OK.
All for the kid right.
Now, a few details I left out:
The teacher thinks the kid might be an alcoholic. There is some
science that hints that alcholism is genetic. The school thinks that it might
be helpful for the kid to explore the world of alcohol. They give the kid some
books on mixology etc. So they set up a kid bar with a bar tender to give them
their meds during the day. Spectacular results right.
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