As a parent, I can categorically state the problem is transparency. The
schools won't even inform parents what the homework assignments are, and
they'll never inform the parent that assignments aren't being turned in
until after the grades are out. They also won't inform parents about
the "friends" their kids are keeping. My other bitch is class timing.
School starts after most parents who have already left for the job and
school gets out hours prior to parents getting off the job. I fail to
understand this crap. How can you expect a child to do well
academically when they are left to their own devices most of the day?
On 12/10/24 14:45, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
The kids are being secretly helped to transition via so-called
counselors. And parents are being kept in the dark about it. We are
a very red state in the reddest county and the schools have a policy
preventing parental notification. I have no idea what those teachers
sympathetic to the whole trans thing are actually doing in these
meetings with the kids. They are getting counseling without the
permission of the parents, that is for certain. I don’t think the
schools should be involved in this at all, at any level, in any way.
But if they want to start helping kids discover their inner alcoholic,
I guess I would say that is equally or more valid. As the science
behind that is much more solid...
*From:* Darin Steffl
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 3:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
I think you're drinking the conspiracy kool-aid with this claim. I'm
33 and when I was in school, they needed permission to provide me
something small like Tylenol. I have family members who are teachers
and kids in our family from elementary to highschool. I'm also in
Minnesota which has been blue for a long time.
There is absolutely zero truth to kids being secretly helped to
transition with meds or operations. The claim is absurd.
The claim that people support secret transition operations is also
absurd. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative and this is not
anything I would support. I doubt you'll find any sane adult that
supports this. That means the democratic party absolutely does not
support this either.
What I and most of the party does support is talking with kids who
feel their gender doesn't match the way they were born. This means
therapy, counseling, consultations with a doctor to talk through
everything. Parents should be involved in the conversations if the
child wants to do anything more than talk. Things like medications and
such should not be provided without parental and doctor involvement.
Again, there is ZERO evidence of schools providing any sort of medical
treatment, prescriptions, or operations in secret to kids. Any such
claim to the contrary is absurd. They don't have enough money for
class supplies as it is.
What I do support is the school keeping the gender identity and
sexuality private from parents IF the child feels the parents will be
abusive to them if they come out. There's plenty of examples of strict
or religious parents who would abuse or kick out a child if they came
out as trans or LGBT. The privacy protection is something I'm onboard
with. Anything more than counseling should not be allowed until
parents are involved and a doctor agrees with any plans. Ideally, no
physical operations will happen until they're 18 under any circumstances.
This is my opinion as a slightly left of center voter. Republicans
should be in full support of these views as the self proclaimed
"freedom party". Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be
in favor of government control with: book bans, white washing history,
controlling women's Healthcare, trying to ban same sex marriage,
forcing religion (specifically Christianity) into public schools,
threatening to imprison the media and people who speak out against
them. Republicans are not about freedom anymore since Trump became
popular. I hope once he's done with his second term that the party can
return to normal.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 5:55 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
K-12 schools I am familiar with won't give out a Tylenol without
parents permission, I'm not sure if they can apply a bandaid. So
I'm skeptical about the meds part.
---- Original Message ----
From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 12/10/2024 1:28:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
OK, how can I strengthen the analogy? I kinda want it to have a
bit of a gotcha effect.
I am purposely trying to be a bit vague as to practitioner and meds.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2024 12:07 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
That's why context is so important. "Practitioner" is pretty
subjective, as is "meds". What if the meds were LSD,
methamphetamine, psilocybin, morphine? What if the practitioner
were RFK Jr?
Analogy is weak.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 12/10/2024 9:17 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
Does this idea work:
Say the school observes/detects a certain trait in your kid. The
kid seemingly agrees with the people at the school. They think
that if they can get the kid treatment, the kid will be much
happier and relaxed.
So they pursue some counseling for the kid and help the kid
obtain some treatment meds from a practitioner.
All without the knowledge of the parents.
Seemingly the kid is happier and more well adjusted. They become
gregarious and outgoing and find it easier to find friends.
Nobody seems to tell the kid or be worried about the long term
physical and mental effects.
Some folks in this nation think this is totally OK.
All for the kid right.
Now, a few details I left out:
The teacher thinks the kid might be an alcoholic. There is some
science that hints that alcholism is genetic. The school thinks
that it might be helpful for the kid to explore the world of
alcohol. They give the kid some books on mixology etc. So they
set up a kid bar with a bar tender to give them their meds during
the day. Spectacular results right.
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