OK, I haven’t heard anything remotely like that via first hand knowledge. What I have heard along the lines of “people are saying” so take with a huge grain of salt, is that some people are upset that schools are not reporting to parents when kids request to be called a different name or pronoun. So a school maybe has a policy that Carly can ask to be called Carl in class, or he rather than she, and if Carly/Carl doesn’t want this reported back to her/his parents they don’t.
I remember when I was in middle school, a girl named Patricia decided one day she wanted to be called Kitten. I don’t think it was a gender dysphoria thing or a furry thing, I think it was just a stupid 4th grader thing. Today if she was one of Elons kids she could have a really unique name. Or if Frank Zappa was her dad, she could have been Moon Unit. I think the Kitten phase lasted less than a week. My daughter had a good friend from school Christy who around high school age realized no matter the biological pieces parts she was a boy. For the past 20 years he has been Chris. Not a lesbian, not sure if the word transgender is correct, I don’t remember anything about transitioning or meds or operations or bathrooms. Unless the time she had her hair cut in a bob constituted transitioning I believe her parents knew, although friends might have known earlier. Nice kid and I don’t remember it being a huge issue. I suspect that’s typically the case when you know the person rather than just what people are saying. Myself, probably because I’m old, what I can’t get used to is calling a transgender or nonbinary person by plural pronouns like they/them. I’ve spent too many years associating those pronouns with multiple people. They? I only see one of them, is this a Monty Python sketch? Also, not being from the south, I don’t grasp the difference between you and y’all. But I wish someone would come up with a gender neutral third person pronoun like they did for Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms. I guess I don’t really mean gender neutral, because we have he/she/it and we shouldn’t be calling people it (other than Cousin Itt). Maybe along the lines of voseo usage in Rioplatense Spanish, where friends are vos, not usted or tu. Except that’s not a gender thing, so I guess a poor analogy. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 4:45 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy The kids are being secretly helped to transition via so-called counselors. And parents are being kept in the dark about it. We are a very red state in the reddest county and the schools have a policy preventing parental notification. I have no idea what those teachers sympathetic to the whole trans thing are actually doing in these meetings with the kids. They are getting counseling without the permission of the parents, that is for certain. I don’t think the schools should be involved in this at all, at any level, in any way. But if they want to start helping kids discover their inner alcoholic, I guess I would say that is equally or more valid. As the science behind that is much more solid... From: Darin Steffl Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 3:25 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy I think you're drinking the conspiracy kool-aid with this claim. I'm 33 and when I was in school, they needed permission to provide me something small like Tylenol. I have family members who are teachers and kids in our family from elementary to highschool. I'm also in Minnesota which has been blue for a long time. There is absolutely zero truth to kids being secretly helped to transition with meds or operations. The claim is absurd. The claim that people support secret transition operations is also absurd. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative and this is not anything I would support. I doubt you'll find any sane adult that supports this. That means the democratic party absolutely does not support this either. What I and most of the party does support is talking with kids who feel their gender doesn't match the way they were born. This means therapy, counseling, consultations with a doctor to talk through everything. Parents should be involved in the conversations if the child wants to do anything more than talk. Things like medications and such should not be provided without parental and doctor involvement. Again, there is ZERO evidence of schools providing any sort of medical treatment, prescriptions, or operations in secret to kids. Any such claim to the contrary is absurd. They don't have enough money for class supplies as it is. What I do support is the school keeping the gender identity and sexuality private from parents IF the child feels the parents will be abusive to them if they come out. There's plenty of examples of strict or religious parents who would abuse or kick out a child if they came out as trans or LGBT. The privacy protection is something I'm onboard with. Anything more than counseling should not be allowed until parents are involved and a doctor agrees with any plans. Ideally, no physical operations will happen until they're 18 under any circumstances. This is my opinion as a slightly left of center voter. Republicans should be in full support of these views as the self proclaimed "freedom party". Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of government control with: book bans, white washing history, controlling women's Healthcare, trying to ban same sex marriage, forcing religion (specifically Christianity) into public schools, threatening to imprison the media and people who speak out against them. Republicans are not about freedom anymore since Trump became popular. I hope once he's done with his second term that the party can return to normal. On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 5:55 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com <mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote: K-12 schools I am familiar with won't give out a Tylenol without parents permission, I'm not sure if they can apply a bandaid. So I'm skeptical about the meds part. ---- Original Message ---- From: ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> Sent: 12/10/2024 1:28:27 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy OK, how can I strengthen the analogy? I kinda want it to have a bit of a gotcha effect. I am purposely trying to be a bit vague as to practitioner and meds. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 12:07 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy That's why context is so important. "Practitioner" is pretty subjective, as is "meds". What if the meds were LSD, methamphetamine, psilocybin, morphine? What if the practitioner were RFK Jr? Analogy is weak. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 12/10/2024 9:17 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote: Does this idea work: Say the school observes/detects a certain trait in your kid. The kid seemingly agrees with the people at the school. They think that if they can get the kid treatment, the kid will be much happier and relaxed. So they pursue some counseling for the kid and help the kid obtain some treatment meds from a practitioner. All without the knowledge of the parents. Seemingly the kid is happier and more well adjusted. They become gregarious and outgoing and find it easier to find friends. Nobody seems to tell the kid or be worried about the long term physical and mental effects. Some folks in this nation think this is totally OK. All for the kid right. Now, a few details I left out: The teacher thinks the kid might be an alcoholic. There is some science that hints that alcholism is genetic. The school thinks that it might be helpful for the kid to explore the world of alcohol. They give the kid some books on mixology etc. So they set up a kid bar with a bar tender to give them their meds during the day. 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