The kids are being secretly helped to transition via so-called counselors. And
parents are being kept in the dark about it. We are a very red state in the
reddest county and the schools have a policy preventing parental notification.
I have no idea what those teachers sympathetic to the whole trans thing are
actually doing in these meetings with the kids. They are getting counseling
without the permission of the parents, that is for certain. I don’t think the
schools should be involved in this at all, at any level, in any way.
But if they want to start helping kids discover their inner alcoholic, I guess
I would say that is equally or more valid. As the science behind that is much
more solid...
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 3:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
I think you're drinking the conspiracy kool-aid with this claim. I'm 33 and
when I was in school, they needed permission to provide me something small like
Tylenol. I have family members who are teachers and kids in our family from
elementary to highschool. I'm also in Minnesota which has been blue for a long
time.
There is absolutely zero truth to kids being secretly helped to transition with
meds or operations. The claim is absurd.
The claim that people support secret transition operations is also absurd. I'm
socially liberal and fiscally conservative and this is not anything I would
support. I doubt you'll find any sane adult that supports this. That means the
democratic party absolutely does not support this either.
What I and most of the party does support is talking with kids who feel their
gender doesn't match the way they were born. This means therapy, counseling,
consultations with a doctor to talk through everything. Parents should be
involved in the conversations if the child wants to do anything more than talk.
Things like medications and such should not be provided without parental and
doctor involvement. Again, there is ZERO evidence of schools providing any sort
of medical treatment, prescriptions, or operations in secret to kids. Any such
claim to the contrary is absurd. They don't have enough money for class
supplies as it is.
What I do support is the school keeping the gender identity and sexuality
private from parents IF the child feels the parents will be abusive to them if
they come out. There's plenty of examples of strict or religious parents who
would abuse or kick out a child if they came out as trans or LGBT. The privacy
protection is something I'm onboard with. Anything more than counseling should
not be allowed until parents are involved and a doctor agrees with any plans.
Ideally, no physical operations will happen until they're 18 under any
circumstances.
This is my opinion as a slightly left of center voter. Republicans should be in
full support of these views as the self proclaimed "freedom party".
Unfortunately they've repositioned themselves to be in favor of government
control with: book bans, white washing history, controlling women's Healthcare,
trying to ban same sex marriage, forcing religion (specifically Christianity)
into public schools, threatening to imprison the media and people who speak out
against them. Republicans are not about freedom anymore since Trump became
popular. I hope once he's done with his second term that the party can return
to normal.
On Tue, Dec 10, 2024, 5:55 PM Ken Hohhof <khoh...@kwom.com> wrote:
K-12 schools I am familiar with won't give out a Tylenol without parents
permission, I'm not sure if they can apply a bandaid. So I'm skeptical about
the meds part.
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From: ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: 12/10/2024 1:28:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
OK, how can I strengthen the analogy? I kinda want it to have a bit of a
gotcha effect.
I am purposely trying to be a bit vague as to practitioner and meds.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2024 12:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Analogy
That's why context is so important. "Practitioner" is pretty subjective, as
is "meds". What if the meds were LSD, methamphetamine, psilocybin, morphine?
What if the practitioner were RFK Jr?
Analogy is weak.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 12/10/2024 9:17 AM, ch...@go-mtc.com wrote:
Does this idea work:
Say the school observes/detects a certain trait in your kid. The kid
seemingly agrees with the people at the school. They think that if they can
get the kid treatment, the kid will be much happier and relaxed.
So they pursue some counseling for the kid and help the kid obtain some
treatment meds from a practitioner.
All without the knowledge of the parents.
Seemingly the kid is happier and more well adjusted. They become
gregarious and outgoing and find it easier to find friends.
Nobody seems to tell the kid or be worried about the long term physical and
mental effects.
Some folks in this nation think this is totally OK.
All for the kid right.
Now, a few details I left out:
The teacher thinks the kid might be an alcoholic. There is some science
that hints that alcholism is genetic. The school thinks that it might be
helpful for the kid to explore the world of alcohol. They give the kid some
books on mixology etc. So they set up a kid bar with a bar tender to give them
their meds during the day. Spectacular results right.
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