this is settled law, if you get the fine, you will pay it or close your doors. its pretty simple
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 7:45 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Sure. But I kick them off - they go to someone else, then they go to > someone else. > > If you come to me with a legitimate request and pay reasonable research > fees sure we will take care if it, but we aren’t a charity. > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > > > They hope that loss of safe harbor under DMCA and headlines about $1 > billion jury awards will scare ISPs into kicking pirates off their networks. > > > > > https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/19/21030812/cox-communications-record-labels-lawsuit-appeal-1-billion-piracy-isp-charter > > > > (and that was about songs, not videos) > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 7:02 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent > > > > Sounds like a job for Wispa. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:37 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > > > > Law enforcement pays as well. Lookup the rates the big boys charge the > police for these requests. They have pricing tables just like every other > product they sell.. > > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:55 PM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > I’m not a fan. But unless it’s law enforcement you need to pay for > administrative time. > > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > > > Supposedly IP Echelon has a reputation for sending bogus claims, or not > doing the due diligence required by the DMCA. Although in some of those > cases, they claimed it was a scam impersonating them. > > > https://torrentfreak.com/isp-wants-us-marshals-to-help-serve-piracy-tracking-outfit-180528/ > > > > > > *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 2:39 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent > > > > I was always very cooperative. Not a fan of IP infringement. But yeah, I > let the customer know they had to fix the problem. > > > > *From:* Darin Steffl > > *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 1:32 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent > > > > Give it up Matt!! > > > > You know they won't pay so just ignore their emails. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:16 PM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > Exactly. We won’t provide details without a court order. And without > payment we aren’t going to research anything. > > > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > > > So do I understand correctly they are sending you DMCA complaints and > you > > are sending them bills for researching the supposedly infringing customer > > and they don't pay but they send more complaints? > > > > This seems like Tom Hanks having a "conversation" with "Wilson" in the > movie > > Castaway. Did you actually expect them to pay? > > > > If we receive a notice of claimed infringement, we try to make a > judgement > > whether it is legit or bogus, and either throw it away or contact the > > customer accordingly. But we NEVER contact the sender of the notice, we > > never forward threats or demands for payment, and we don't provide > > information about customers without a court order. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > > Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:17 PM > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent > > > > IP Echelon continues to send us requests for information and research > even > > as their account remains delinquent with us. > > > > We have contacted them multiple times requesting payment but they have > not > > responded and continue to send requests for research. > > > > Does anyone have a good contact at IP Echelon related to billing matters? > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > ------------------------------ > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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