We have slowly been deploying all our new IP space to eliminate NAT. Bank websites have been getting really strict about NAT IPs anymore
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 3:40 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: > Same as Steve, though we don’t have NAT customers so we can identify all > of them. > > Mark > > On Aug 6, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > we use powercode. The dmca notices are forwarded to the powercode ticket > system from our abuse email. If the listed IP is not a NAT IP we assign the > ticket as viewable to the customer so its tied to their account. we leave > it open for a week then close it if the customer chooses not to follow up. > If a customer has 3 or more notices in a year, we restrict their access > until they verify they have read it, we have rough script that says > basically We are required to forward this to you, we are unable to discuss > it as it is between them and a third party. If they need any advice we > recommend they contact an attorney. > > If it is a NAT IP we update and close the unassigned ticket with the same > words "NAT IP, UNABLE TO IDENTIFY CUSTOMER" This meets our burden of > responsibility and maintains record of all notices and our active attempt > (while minimal) to respond. > > If we get a customer who continually gets these notices, we will have an > administrative discussion and notify the customer of whatever our decision > is (hint: it will 99 percent of the time be to do nothing other than repeat > the script) > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 2:39 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: > >> What is everyone else doing for these dmca notices? >> >> this whole thing is a s*** situation because they will not pay to process >> the requests but if you don't process the requests you lose your safe >> harbor status and then become liable. >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 12:22 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> this is settled law, if you get the fine, you will pay it or close your >>> doors. its pretty simple >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 7:45 PM Matt Hoppes < >>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Sure. But I kick them off - they go to someone else, then they go to >>>> someone else. >>>> >>>> If you come to me with a legitimate request and pay reasonable research >>>> fees sure we will take care if it, but we aren’t a charity. >>>> >>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They hope that loss of safe harbor under DMCA and headlines about $1 >>>> billion jury awards will scare ISPs into kicking pirates off their >>>> networks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/19/21030812/cox-communications-record-labels-lawsuit-appeal-1-billion-piracy-isp-charter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (and that was about songs, not videos) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 7:02 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sounds like a job for Wispa. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:37 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Law enforcement pays as well. Lookup the rates the big boys charge the >>>> police for these requests. They have pricing tables just like every other >>>> product they sell.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:55 PM Matt Hoppes < >>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I’m not a fan. But unless it’s law enforcement you need to pay for >>>> administrative time. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Supposedly IP Echelon has a reputation for sending bogus claims, or not >>>> doing the due diligence required by the DMCA. Although in some of those >>>> cases, they claimed it was a scam impersonating them. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://torrentfreak.com/isp-wants-us-marshals-to-help-serve-piracy-tracking-outfit-180528/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 2:39 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I was always very cooperative. Not a fan of IP infringement. But >>>> yeah, I let the customer know they had to fix the problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Darin Steffl >>>> >>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 1:32 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Give it up Matt!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You know they won't pay so just ignore their emails. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:16 PM Matt Hoppes < >>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Exactly. We won’t provide details without a court order. And without >>>> payment we aren’t going to research anything. >>>> >>>> > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > So do I understand correctly they are sending you DMCA complaints >>>> and you >>>> > are sending them bills for researching the supposedly infringing >>>> customer >>>> > and they don't pay but they send more complaints? >>>> > >>>> > This seems like Tom Hanks having a "conversation" with "Wilson" in >>>> the movie >>>> > Castaway. Did you actually expect them to pay? >>>> > >>>> > If we receive a notice of claimed infringement, we try to make a >>>> judgement >>>> > whether it is legit or bogus, and either throw it away or contact the >>>> > customer accordingly. But we NEVER contact the sender of the notice, >>>> we >>>> > never forward threats or demands for payment, and we don't provide >>>> > information about customers without a court order. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes >>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:17 PM >>>> > To: af@af.afmug.com >>>> > Subject: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>> > >>>> > IP Echelon continues to send us requests for information and research >>>> even >>>> > as their account remains delinquent with us. >>>> > >>>> > We have contacted them multiple times requesting payment but they >>>> have not >>>> > responded and continue to send requests for research. >>>> > >>>> > Does anyone have a good contact at IP Echelon related to billing >>>> matters? >>>> > -- >>>> > AF mailing list >>>> > AF@af.afmug.com >>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > AF mailing list >>>> > AF@af.afmug.com >>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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