We just do what’s required to maintain safe harbor. Our role is only to pass along the claim of infringement. We make it clear to our customers that it’s a CLAIM but do inform them of our policy regarding multiple claims being made against them and enforce that (including fees to reconnect). I don’t believe we’ve ever had to actually terminate a customer for it, most acknowledge the email and say they’ve caught the kid who was doing it (sure! It’s always the kids) and it won’t happen again.
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 2:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent What is everyone else doing for these dmca notices? this whole thing is a s*** situation because they will not pay to process the requests but if you don't process the requests you lose your safe harbor status and then become liable. On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 12:22 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: this is settled law, if you get the fine, you will pay it or close your doors. its pretty simple On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 7:45 PM Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: Sure. But I kick them off - they go to someone else, then they go to someone else. If you come to me with a legitimate request and pay reasonable research fees sure we will take care if it, but we aren’t a charity. On Aug 1, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: They hope that loss of safe harbor under DMCA and headlines about $1 billion jury awards will scare ISPs into kicking pirates off their networks. https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/19/21030812/cox-communications-record-labels-lawsuit-appeal-1-billion-piracy-isp-charter (and that was about songs, not videos) From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 7:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent Sounds like a job for Wispa. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:37 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote: Law enforcement pays as well. Lookup the rates the big boys charge the police for these requests. They have pricing tables just like every other product they sell.. On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:55 PM Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: I’m not a fan. But unless it’s law enforcement you need to pay for administrative time. On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: Supposedly IP Echelon has a reputation for sending bogus claims, or not doing the due diligence required by the DMCA. Although in some of those cases, they claimed it was a scam impersonating them. https://torrentfreak.com/isp-wants-us-marshals-to-help-serve-piracy-tracking-outfit-180528/ From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 2:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent I was always very cooperative. Not a fan of IP infringement. But yeah, I let the customer know they had to fix the problem. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 1:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent Give it up Matt!! You know they won't pay so just ignore their emails. On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:16 PM Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: Exactly. We won’t provide details without a court order. And without payment we aren’t going to research anything. > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Ken Hohhof > <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > > So do I understand correctly they are sending you DMCA complaints and you > are sending them bills for researching the supposedly infringing customer > and they don't pay but they send more complaints? > > This seems like Tom Hanks having a "conversation" with "Wilson" in the movie > Castaway. Did you actually expect them to pay? > > If we receive a notice of claimed infringement, we try to make a judgement > whether it is legit or bogus, and either throw it away or contact the > customer accordingly. But we NEVER contact the sender of the notice, we > never forward threats or demands for payment, and we don't provide > information about customers without a court order. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf > Of Matt Hoppes > Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:17 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent > > IP Echelon continues to send us requests for information and research even > as their account remains delinquent with us. > > We have contacted them multiple times requesting payment but they have not > responded and continue to send requests for research. > > Does anyone have a good contact at IP Echelon related to billing matters? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ________________________________ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ________________________________ Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list.
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