I was reading, in case law that if you have a sub with multiple dmca notices and you have no history of terminating customers for repeat violations your safe harbor status is gone.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4stTX7rmAFY > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 6, 2020 4:03:22 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent > > thats on the list when the world stops burning > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 4:02 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> Do those strict bank sites support IPv6? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:50:40 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >> >> We have slowly been deploying all our new IP space to eliminate NAT. Bank >> websites have been getting really strict about NAT IPs anymore >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 3:40 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >>> Same as Steve, though we don’t have NAT customers so we can identify all >>> of them. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> we use powercode. The dmca notices are forwarded to the powercode ticket >>> system from our abuse email. If the listed IP is not a NAT IP we assign the >>> ticket as viewable to the customer so its tied to their account. we leave >>> it open for a week then close it if the customer chooses not to follow up. >>> If a customer has 3 or more notices in a year, we restrict their access >>> until they verify they have read it, we have rough script that says >>> basically We are required to forward this to you, we are unable to discuss >>> it as it is between them and a third party. If they need any advice we >>> recommend they contact an attorney. >>> >>> If it is a NAT IP we update and close the unassigned ticket with the >>> same words "NAT IP, UNABLE TO IDENTIFY CUSTOMER" This meets our burden of >>> responsibility and maintains record of all notices and our active attempt >>> (while minimal) to respond. >>> >>> If we get a customer who continually gets these notices, we will have an >>> administrative discussion and notify the customer of whatever our decision >>> is (hint: it will 99 percent of the time be to do nothing other than repeat >>> the script) >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 2:39 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >>> >>>> What is everyone else doing for these dmca notices? >>>> >>>> this whole thing is a s*** situation because they will not pay to >>>> process the requests but if you don't process the requests you lose your >>>> safe harbor status and then become liable. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 12:22 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> this is settled law, if you get the fine, you will pay it or close >>>>> your doors. its pretty simple >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 7:45 PM Matt Hoppes < >>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sure. But I kick them off - they go to someone else, then they go to >>>>>> someone else. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you come to me with a legitimate request and pay reasonable >>>>>> research fees sure we will take care if it, but we aren’t a charity. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They hope that loss of safe harbor under DMCA and headlines about $1 >>>>>> billion jury awards will scare ISPs into kicking pirates off their >>>>>> networks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/19/21030812/cox-communications-record-labels-lawsuit-appeal-1-billion-piracy-isp-charter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (and that was about songs, not videos) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 7:02 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds like a job for Wispa. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:37 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Law enforcement pays as well. Lookup the rates the big boys charge >>>>>> the police for these requests. They have pricing tables just like every >>>>>> other product they sell.. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:55 PM Matt Hoppes < >>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I’m not a fan. But unless it’s law enforcement you need to pay for >>>>>> administrative time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Supposedly IP Echelon has a reputation for sending bogus claims, or >>>>>> not doing the due diligence required by the DMCA. Although in some of >>>>>> those cases, they claimed it was a scam impersonating them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://torrentfreak.com/isp-wants-us-marshals-to-help-serve-piracy-tracking-outfit-180528/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 2:39 PM >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I was always very cooperative. Not a fan of IP infringement. But >>>>>> yeah, I let the customer know they had to fix the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Darin Steffl >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 1:32 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Give it up Matt!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You know they won't pay so just ignore their emails. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:16 PM Matt Hoppes < >>>>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Exactly. We won’t provide details without a court order. And without >>>>>> payment we aren’t going to research anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > So do I understand correctly they are sending you DMCA complaints >>>>>> and you >>>>>> > are sending them bills for researching the supposedly infringing >>>>>> customer >>>>>> > and they don't pay but they send more complaints? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > This seems like Tom Hanks having a "conversation" with "Wilson" in >>>>>> the movie >>>>>> > Castaway. Did you actually expect them to pay? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > If we receive a notice of claimed infringement, we try to make a >>>>>> judgement >>>>>> > whether it is legit or bogus, and either throw it away or contact >>>>>> the >>>>>> > customer accordingly. But we NEVER contact the sender of the >>>>>> notice, we >>>>>> > never forward threats or demands for payment, and we don't provide >>>>>> > information about customers without a court order. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes >>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:17 PM >>>>>> > To: af@af.afmug.com >>>>>> > Subject: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>>>> > >>>>>> > IP Echelon continues to send us requests for information and >>>>>> research even >>>>>> > as their account remains delinquent with us. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We have contacted them multiple times requesting payment but they >>>>>> have not >>>>>> > responded and continue to send requests for research. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Does anyone have a good contact at IP Echelon related to billing >>>>>> matters? >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > AF mailing list >>>>>> > AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > AF mailing list >>>>>> > AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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