thats on the list when the world stops burning On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 4:02 PM Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:
> Do those strict bank sites support IPv6? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Steve Jones" <[email protected]> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:50:40 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent > > We have slowly been deploying all our new IP space to eliminate NAT. Bank > websites have been getting really strict about NAT IPs anymore > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 3:40 PM Mark Radabaugh <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Same as Steve, though we don’t have NAT customers so we can identify all >> of them. >> >> Mark >> >> On Aug 6, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> we use powercode. The dmca notices are forwarded to the powercode ticket >> system from our abuse email. If the listed IP is not a NAT IP we assign the >> ticket as viewable to the customer so its tied to their account. we leave >> it open for a week then close it if the customer chooses not to follow up. >> If a customer has 3 or more notices in a year, we restrict their access >> until they verify they have read it, we have rough script that says >> basically We are required to forward this to you, we are unable to discuss >> it as it is between them and a third party. If they need any advice we >> recommend they contact an attorney. >> >> If it is a NAT IP we update and close the unassigned ticket with the same >> words "NAT IP, UNABLE TO IDENTIFY CUSTOMER" This meets our burden of >> responsibility and maintains record of all notices and our active attempt >> (while minimal) to respond. >> >> If we get a customer who continually gets these notices, we will have an >> administrative discussion and notify the customer of whatever our decision >> is (hint: it will 99 percent of the time be to do nothing other than repeat >> the script) >> >> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 2:39 PM TJ Trout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> What is everyone else doing for these dmca notices? >>> >>> this whole thing is a s*** situation because they will not pay to >>> process the requests but if you don't process the requests you lose your >>> safe harbor status and then become liable. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 12:22 PM Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> this is settled law, if you get the fine, you will pay it or close your >>>> doors. its pretty simple >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 7:45 PM Matt Hoppes < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sure. But I kick them off - they go to someone else, then they go to >>>>> someone else. >>>>> >>>>> If you come to me with a legitimate request and pay reasonable >>>>> research fees sure we will take care if it, but we aren’t a charity. >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 8:25 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They hope that loss of safe harbor under DMCA and headlines about $1 >>>>> billion jury awards will scare ISPs into kicking pirates off their >>>>> networks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/19/21030812/cox-communications-record-labels-lawsuit-appeal-1-billion-piracy-isp-charter >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (and that was about songs, not videos) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 7:02 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sounds like a job for Wispa. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:37 PM, TJ Trout <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Law enforcement pays as well. Lookup the rates the big boys charge the >>>>> police for these requests. They have pricing tables just like every other >>>>> product they sell.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:55 PM Matt Hoppes < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I’m not a fan. But unless it’s law enforcement you need to pay for >>>>> administrative time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 1, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Supposedly IP Echelon has a reputation for sending bogus claims, or >>>>> not doing the due diligence required by the DMCA. Although in some of >>>>> those cases, they claimed it was a scam impersonating them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://torrentfreak.com/isp-wants-us-marshals-to-help-serve-piracy-tracking-outfit-180528/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *[email protected] >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 2:39 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was always very cooperative. Not a fan of IP infringement. But >>>>> yeah, I let the customer know they had to fix the problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Darin Steffl >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 1, 2020 1:32 PM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Give it up Matt!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You know they won't pay so just ignore their emails. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 1, 2020, 1:16 PM Matt Hoppes < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Exactly. We won’t provide details without a court order. And without >>>>> payment we aren’t going to research anything. >>>>> >>>>> > On Aug 1, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Ken Hohhof <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > So do I understand correctly they are sending you DMCA complaints >>>>> and you >>>>> > are sending them bills for researching the supposedly infringing >>>>> customer >>>>> > and they don't pay but they send more complaints? >>>>> > >>>>> > This seems like Tom Hanks having a "conversation" with "Wilson" in >>>>> the movie >>>>> > Castaway. Did you actually expect them to pay? >>>>> > >>>>> > If we receive a notice of claimed infringement, we try to make a >>>>> judgement >>>>> > whether it is legit or bogus, and either throw it away or contact the >>>>> > customer accordingly. But we NEVER contact the sender of the >>>>> notice, we >>>>> > never forward threats or demands for payment, and we don't provide >>>>> > information about customers without a court order. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes >>>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2020 12:17 PM >>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>> > Subject: [AFMUG] IP Echelon Delinquent >>>>> > >>>>> > IP Echelon continues to send us requests for information and >>>>> research even >>>>> > as their account remains delinquent with us. >>>>> > >>>>> > We have contacted them multiple times requesting payment but they >>>>> have not >>>>> > responded and continue to send requests for research. >>>>> > >>>>> > Does anyone have a good contact at IP Echelon related to billing >>>>> matters? >>>>> > -- >>>>> > AF mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > AF mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > [email protected] > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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